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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storyteller View Post
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    You can't spin everything. There IS an objective reality.
    No there isn't. Reality is a liberal lie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storyteller View Post
    You can't spin everything. There IS an objective reality.
    Well. maybe not....


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    I find the whole pot thing fascinating. I didn't even know it was on any ballot, certainly not as recreational legalization.
    So I guess folks will start being open about growing a few plants in their garden. But, just as most folks don't grow their own tomatoes, I suppose most won't grow their own pot after a while. This opens up a whole new revenue stream for the state government in taxes (sin tax like booze and cigarettes) and growers. And even tourist, as I can see pot tours to the state like some go to Nevada for prostitution and gambling.
    I wonder how long it will take other states to see the added bonus of legalization and put it on their ballots.

    I assume the laws of pot usage will be the same as drinking, i.e. no smoking and driving, no smoking under a certain age, not on campus, etc...
    From what I understand from friends in the area, the legislature actually has a full year to get the legal structure set up to manage pot usage, which is only for over-21s. So it will be a while. Also, (not sure if this is speculation or definitive) but I have heard pot will fall under no-smoking ordinances existing for tobacco...which eliminates an awful lot of territory outside people's homes and private property. Seattle especially has very strict no-smoking laws.

    Per the way people treat Republicans (and I am not surprised to hear that in the Pacific Northwest, frankly), I think the party has become associated in many people's minds with those few who speak hatefully--and with our increasingly self-segregated society (culturally speaking) people know fewer and fewer folks who are different from them to correct a media impression of Republicans being monolithic in their thinking. So liberals think they are striking a blow for righteousness by practicing social shunning, etc. It makes me feel sad--I don't think this is good for the country. Interestingly, I am in a slightly majority Republican area and people are much politer about political differences face to face. I happened to go to a social event on Election day and it was hilarious to watch an entire tableful of people cheerfully discuss the election without ever admitting who they had actually voted for...

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    If you were a politician who was going to lose an election, would it help your chances more to know you were going to lose or to pretend to yourself and others that there was still a chance you would win? Just faking it until ... they didn't make it. But you're not a politician and don't live in the bubble where image is everything - good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storyteller View Post
    Instead they lied to each other, and they lied to themselves. What you saw with Rove was an on-air, real-time manifestation of their deep, deep denial of reality. Rove couldn't believe those numbers were real. They didn't jive with his alternate reality. THAT is what makes it a melt-down, and so damn fun to watch. Even The Architect was taken completely by surprise.
    We turned to Fox's coverage after a couple of tweets I saw mentioned the ensuing hilarity. We got there after Rove did his thing, but while that Shepherd (sp?) guy was still clearly disbelieving that it was over. Why, candidate Romney supposedly never even wrote a concession speech on the 50/50 chance that he'd need it. Betcha he does carry an umbrella on days with a 50% chance of rain (more likely, he's hired someone to hold it for him).

    On Election Night, Karl Rove looked like the Iraqi Information Minister insisting that Baghdad was safe even though the background of the camera shot he was in showed Allied tanks rolling by. Jon Stewart did a funny bit on his show about the whole dissembling mess. Good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveinMN View Post
    We turned to Fox's coverage after a couple of tweets I saw mentioned the ensuing hilarity. We got there after Rove did his thing, but while that Shepherd (sp?) guy was still clearly disbelieving that it was over.
    I think sometimes people see what they want to see regardless. Shepard Smith is a pretty non-partisan guy. The truth in that is pretty easy to see because he has the highest rated primetime news show on cable and most people on the left don't know his name. I sometimes lurk at Democratic Underground and all the really far left folks over there love him because they think he's gay. You should check out his 7pm nightly newscast sometimes. You might be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Zoebird - my experience is not defined by Google, or media personalities. I was referring to members of my own community, who have spoken such words, directly to my face. It is quite divisive and hateful. My wife has been shunned by two ladies in one orchestra she plays in, simply because she voted for a Republican candidate, and was accused of being racist for criticising Obama. Since I was "outed" as a Republican because of my educational effort to participate in the caucus process here, people who have been nice to me for over a decade won't give me the time of day.

    It's sickening.
    that is a shame, as through the years it seems like you have tried to do a lot for your community. But it seems to me like that was the problem with the whole election. Intolerance. Trying to impose views on others and promoting interpretation of religious views.

    I am an athiest living in a country that is largely intolerant of those who are not Christian- it is amazing how it changes some peoples view of me if they find out. I can't imagine what it is like to be Jewish or Black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by try2bfrugal View Post
    I think in the analysis of what went wrong for Romney the journalists and political strategists are being rather closed minded and just looking at the traditional news outlets and advertising forms like radio ads and commercials. They aren't mentioning all of the relentless skewering on Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show, The Onion, Steven Colbert, Reddit, the Mr. Burns for Romney commercial, Reddit posts, online forum discussions, etc. The Obama campaign staff had him go on Reddit. The older political strategists for either candidate didn't know what that was.

    Our kids probably go for weeks without even seeing a TV commercial or seeing a Network news show but they are on Reddit every day. It is the top 134th of site on the Internet! That is a huge audience and it doesn't cost anything to post there.
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    I agree with you on Reddit. It is huge, and kudos to whoever on the Obama campaign pointed him there. Part of Obama's appeal to younger voters is, he (or someone close to him) knows where they hang out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Zoebird - my experience is not defined by Google, or media personalities. I was referring to members of my own community, who have spoken such words, directly to my face. It is quite divisive and hateful. My wife has been shunned by two ladies in one orchestra she plays in, simply because she voted for a Republican candidate, and was accused of being racist for criticising Obama. Since I was "outed" as a Republican because of my educational effort to participate in the caucus process here, people who have been nice to me for over a decade won't give me the time of day.

    It's sickening.
    That IS sickening... And I expericed some similar stuff in SJC. Rural communities can be very harsh. I was on the Lopez Comp Plan committee, and got a death threat... Seriously. Stoopid. I'm sorry y'all have been castigated. I hope the GOP comes back and re-occupies the center. I miss being on the ultra left wing!

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    I missed seeing live Karl Rove's challenge* to Fox since I stopped watching the election an hour earlier. So, I watched it the next day on Youtube. And I have to say, I want geeky Karl on my side when I run for Queen. I kept hearing about Rove's "meltdown" yet when I watched the episode in question he was just arguing numbers. It's what all of the election geeks do, but he's the geekiest of the geeks. He didn't get crazy about it. He thought Ohio was coming in extremely close and Romney still might pull it off, and that's ok.
    He seemed reasonable to me. An hour earlier, just before I left my friend's house, Jonah Goldberg was tweeting chastisements about Fox New calling other states early, and earlier than other mainstream news organizations. And, Jonah is one of their own.

    I just wonder if any of you saw Fox News call states for Obama BEFORE the other networks? It happened, I saw it.



    *"meltdown" is what mainstream leftie media called it,and glad to see that Stoyteller mimicked the adjective
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