Most women say they want to be informed and empowered, knowing all the options and knowing what is going on. So why, then, would you object to an ultrasound that shows exactly that? Why on THIS one issue do some women seem to want to choose ignorance, being uninformed of their choice?
Why do folks want to assume women are ignorant, and need to be educated like children?
And if education were the goal, wouldn't a simple poster ("The stages of pregnancy") in the waiting room suffice?
Next thing, people will be telling us what size soft drinks we are allowed to buy...
Dont recall saying that. A poster isnt the same as what is actually growing inside your own body. Getting information doesnt imply ignorance, it implies being smart. So why the hesitation on this particular issue.....Originally Posted by bae
Please quote chapter and verse. Thank you.
The ultrasound isn't religious law. The legal requirement is. The medical profession calls for certain tests to be done before certain procedures, without any specific legal requirement, relying instead on the professional judgment of the physician. There is no rationale for singling out this one procedure for such a legal requirement except imposition of religious law on women who do not necessarily subscribe to that religious perspective.
Once you do that, though, you are imposing your religious perspective (even if it isn't the reflection of any specific religious perspective you profess) on others. Imposition of such perspectives is supportable in contexts directly proportional to distance from your own body: You are the absolute master of your own body; you have less authority, but still more than others, over your own family; members of a religious community have say about what the tenets of that religious community is, more so than outsiders; and beyond that, each person has just one vote in society as a whole, subject to protection against tyranny of the majority on smaller contexts.
And there's no way to get around the fact that an abortion takes place inside someone else's body (the most local context of the four I outlined above), so given that there is disagreement, their own perspectives rightfully prevails there. As long as a significant number of people believe that there is only one patient, then for those people, there is only one patient.
Last edited by bUU; 6-17-13 at 6:01am.
Then I guess you could say that our prohibition against murder is simply the imposition of religous law, as the ten commandments are antecedent to our criminal law.
Personally, I'd just say that where there is life there is humanity, regardless of it's residence, and give it the same protections that we older folks enjoy.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
How did you get that from my explanation of the concentric contexts of control? The prohibition against murder is a direct reflection of one's own absolute mastery of one's own body.
The prohibition against murder predates the Old Testament by a thousand years. It is outlined in, among other places, the Code of Hammurabi.
If that were true, we should also grant it a tax deduction, count it in the census, etc. For that matter, each sperm and each ova should be considered as well. The point is that there is disagreement about where the line is to be drawn. We all agree that once a baby is born that it should be granted all rights separate from its mother. So that's a given. Between conception and birth, there is reasonable disagreement based solely on beliefs and values, so the beliefs and values of the person within who's body the fetus resides clearly should have primacy. Other interpretations lead to indefensible conclusions, such as my insinuation that you should not be allowed to consume meat. That insinuation is just as defensible as your insinuation that your beliefs and values should apply within some woman's body.
I didn't. I clearly got it from your assertion that I may be "imposing your religious perspective (even if it isn't the reflection of any specific religious perspective you profess) on others."
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Of course, you were wrong, for the reasons I outlined above.
LOL bicker. You are one of a kind, thankfully.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
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