If that were true, your perspective would hold every seat in Congress and the White House in every election since the day you were born.Originally Posted by Alan
If that were true, your perspective would hold every seat in Congress and the White House in every election since the day you were born.
It's very different knowing there's a heartbeat at 4 weeks after conception and being forced to watch it.
At what point does making someone experience every facet of a very painful choice become just an opportunity to be cruel? Maybe we should require the woman to cradle the fetus afterwards and read a paragraph or two about the life that was destroyed and all the things it will never do as well?
+1 Exactly!
One wonders why those who suggest such offensive things object to being forced to sleep one night each year in the most dangerous and squalid neighborhoods, reflections of the economic inequality that they implicitly endorse. Or why they object to paying the taxes necessary to ensure that no child born suffers from the consequences of being born to one mother versus another, consequences that are reflections of political perspectives that they implicitly endorse. Or why they object to participating in the clean-up operation in some remote Middle Eastern after a US bomb inadvertently kills a few civilians, helping the families bathing and enshrouding the deceased (not that they'd be invited to do so, but if they were they'd still refuse to see such an activity in the same light as what they've suggested, even though it is precisely the same thing).
And why do you assume they are all ignorant? Because they don't choose your belief as to when life begins? I say they ARE in fact informed and know precisely what is in there. Otherwise, why the abortion?
Having, or getting information isn't the objection, and that is actually a misdirect. It's the fact that this is going to be a LAW, required by law, and FORCED on women. That is how it is religious based. The LAW isn't asking if they are informed or not. It has nothing to do with information other than a religious perspective on when life begins. It is assuming all women are incapable of making the 'right' choice, which is the 'religious' choice, so forces them to this invasive unnecessary procedure.
Abortion is legal, and really, that's all the information they need from their GOVERNMENT. Everything else is between them and their doctors and husbands/boyfriends.
As buu said, we all agree that at birth, a baby is a separate person with all the rights of a single person. Before that is questioned, although I believe most would even say an 8 month fetus is certainly capable of viability, with today's technologies. But the vast vast majority of fetus who are aborted are, in fact, just a blob of potential life just as sperm and eggs are potential life. They are completely, and unequivocally unable to sustain life outside of the mother. They are, in fact, a parasite, in the true sense of the word.
This isn't a theocracy, as it turns out, and we don't let religious dogma dictate laws, or alter our laws to promote their dogma.
But this goes even further than that. This legislation cuts to the very heart of our constitution, and our legal rights to our own persons. We don't force Jehovah Witness to accept a blood transfusion, even if it saves their lives. We don't force Christian Science to accept medical treatment even if it saves their lives. And we don't force you to donate your kidney to a stranger, or your own family member, even if yours is the only match and the other person WILL die without it. All these examples are ones where we respect the right of an individual to their own person, regardless of religious beliefs. Hell, there are many states now who are even starting to allow terminally ill people to choose when and how they die. This respects our beliefs in our constitution, and all religious, or non religious beliefs. (we also don't force you to HAVE an abortion, even if it saves your life)
It makes people really angry to suggest they be informed fully of whats going on. To see it , you see a beating heart and a baby. Ignoring this fact doesnt make it go away.
Nor does ignoring the fact that US bombs have in the past killed actual babies, the living breathing kind. I don't see you volunteering to subject yourself to experiencing the handiwork of our military operations from the bystander victims' perspective.
No, what makes people angry is the suggestion that only your perspective is the right one, and everything/everyone else is ignorant.
Your beliefs, your perspective, have absolutely no business telling ME how I should be 'educated', or what i should do with MY own body. Period.
Forced. That's the key for me. The law forces invasion of a woman's person that if done against her will in other circumstances would be an assault warranting the use of lethal force to prevent...
No thanks.
I don't have a religious dog in this fight. That said, I am perfectly happy stipulating that the fetus is a human from the moment of conception, and that its interests require consideration. I just happen to think that a woman's interests in controlling her own person prevail over the baby's interests in occupying her womb against her will.
When I found out I was pregnant with my fourth child right on the heels of having my third, I went right to a family planning clinic with the intention of getting an abortion. We were not fit to have another child by any reasonable standards--there was poverty, addiction, exhaustion involved.
When I went into the clinic, there was a lot of reading material in the waiting room, unbiased--all sides were presented. You didn't feel you were being emotionally blackmailed into one way of thinking vs. another.
I was given the pregnancy test, confirmed pregnant, and then I spoke to a counselor. I still remember her so clearly, even though it was almost 30 years ago. She was calm, professional, and asked me to explain why I wanted the abortion. After she listened, she advised me to go home and think about it for two weeks. Two weeks wouldn't make a huge difference, she said.
I did that. What made my decision was a) one thing that I read in the waiting room, b) one thing that a coworker said, completely serendipitously (she didn't know I was pregnant), c) listening to my own heart.
Despite advice to the contrary by my own family, I did not have the abortion, and my daughter has been nothing but a shining example of a miracle in my life.
It didn't take an ultrasound. It took a professional counselor who respected me, educated me, and supported my choice as a woman. If I had gone through with the abortion, that would have also been the result of a considered, thoughtful decision on my part. An ultrasound would not have made a difference.
This law is ideological, emotional blackmail. If we go that route, I suggest we also go back to hangings in the town square. And perhaps we should have pictures on every package of meat of a cow being slaughtered in the CAFO it spent its whole miserable life in.
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