Stand-off in Nevada

[peggy]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/...8431397503860/

So what do you all think of this? Here is a thief who simply decides he isn't going to pay the fee, like every other rancher there, and manages to attract every gun loon and conspiracy theorist to, I don't know, kill some feds over HIS RIGHT TO STEAL from US citizens. Un-freaking-believable!
Talk about b*lls!
So, the tea party is seeing this as some sort of victory, cause might makes right, I guess. The guy with the biggest gun, or largest number of guns, gets to make the rules in tea party taliban world. The lands not yours? No problem! We'll just take it by force, cause, we got the guns, and plenty of idiots to use them. And here's a great idea! Let's put the womenz in the front line just in case anyone starts shooting! Works for the Taliban!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5154606.html

The rule of law has been officially replaced by mob rule. Gee, I wonder what else they can take by armed insurrection?

Meanwhile, I think I'll go pitch a tent on the capital lawn cause, you know, I want to camp there, so i have a right. Right?

[bae]

I think you posted in the wrong forum, probably meant Public Policy.

"Tea Party Taliban" - now *there's* a sign that the discussion will have some nuance...

[Alan]

I think you posted in the wrong forum, probably meant Public Policy.

Agreed. I've moved it to Public Policy

[Alan]

So what do you all think of this?

I think we've potentially got another Waco in the works. If the protestors (or Tea Party Taliban if you just can't resist) have delayed that result, I'm glad they put themselves in the way.

[iris lilies]

I can't tell from that brief article if Bundy has any legal grounds, but it wouldn't be the first time the BLM bulldozed their way onto someone's land claiming it as their own. I think our Native American citizens know rather a lot about that.

M FIL, who had an agreement from the railroad that his farm land would revert back to him when the rail line was abandoned, found out just how sneaky/sly is the goobermnet in these land matters when they reneged.

Maybe we can gen up a Tea Party protest--with guns!--if we can convince my FIL Norman to get all riled up again. His wife, my MIL, is now dead, so she won't hold him back. We can have a little Waco there, too.

About Norman:
http://www.bikeiowa.com/News/1207/la...reation-trails

[peggy]

Actually Iris, this land isn't his. Never was. It is government land,(belongs to we the people) which allows ranchers to graze their cattle on it, for a fee. All the other ranchers pay their fee, and in fact the Nevada ranchers association wouldn't back this crazy up because, again, all the other ranchers pay their fee, which isn't much actually, but because this guy decided, decades ago that he simply didn't NEED to pay his fee, it has added up. The gov has been trying to get him to either pay his fee or get his cattle off gov land for decades. It's not like WAco at all. This guy is clearly breaking the law, and stealing what doesn't belong to him.
EVen if his family has been renting this land for a long time, that doesn't give him the right to take it anymore than your tenant declaring that because he has rented the house from you for 20 years it belongs to him.
The guy is a thief. But he's a well armed thief, which is why I called him, and his 'friends' tea party taliban, cause any group (and this one identifies itself as tea party) that decides it can do what it wants and take what it wants at the point of a gun is Taliban. That's exactly how they work. Might makes right, and we will rule by the terror of 'we will kill you if we don't get what we want'.
And this sets a dangerous precedent, cause these bullies are now emboldened to continue to take anything they want simply because they have the guns. See, even Alan here thinks the feds backed down in the face of greater firepower. Some sort of mexican stand-off, right here in the good 'ol US, that he apparently approves of, and all for the wrong reasons I'm afraid. *Note, it's interesting to see the 'good guys with the guns' backed down cause 'the bad guys with the guns' out gunned them. Is this what the NRA had in mind? I wonder what would they say if it had been black street gangs in St. Louis who decided they wanted to take Iris Lilies property?
The tea party has become such a joke. These people are no more fighting for freedom, or rule of law, or liberty, than republicans are the 'party of responsibility'. And speaking of that, did you see which republican 'leaders' stood up for these guys? The usual suspects. It just amazes me how, for a momentary base-cheering sound bite, they are so willing to be associated with law breakers, and criminals. Yeah, let those armed thugs try that on THEIR property and you'll see how fast they'd be arrested.

It's worth it to read up on this a bit, and don't just listen to Fox News, or get your info from right wing bloggers. It's worth it to learn the facts in the case cause it's an important turn in the future insurrections these thugs are so desperate to get us involved in.

[peggy]

Agreed. I've moved it to Public Policy

Actually, I thought it was just general (open forum) stuff, cause far be it from me to assign taliban type ignorance and law-breaking to a political party. People from both parties can be thugs and law breakers, can't they? Law breaking and general thuggery isn't really a political issue, but so be it. If this is the right forum, I'll bow to your better judgement in this.

[Alan]

See, even Alan here thinks the feds backed down in the face of greater firepower. Some sort of mexican stand-off, right here in the good 'ol US, that he apparently approves of, and all for the wrong reasons I'm afraid.

No, actually I don't think the feds backed down in the face of greater firepower. I think the feds temporarily backed down in order to wait for protesters to leave the area before storming the ranch.

Personally, I think this Bundy guy is nuts, but I also think the small army the feds sent after him is overkill. Put the two together and you get a bad result, especially if there's no third party willing to step into the middle.

[Teacher Terry]

Peggy is right that this guy won't pay his grazing fees and now owes over a million dollars. I don't think this will be resolved in a way that they like. Feds are probably just letting it die down before taking action.

[Teacher Terry]

Iris Lily what finally happened to Norman's dispute? I just went & read the article.