Billions for Climate Change

[Ultralight]

Sure they will. Force is what governments do.

But I don't think would do it for this kind of thing.

Like, "Okay, populace! Time to force you all to live simply!"

That is a one ingredient recipe for revolt.

[LDAHL]

No government is going to exact any force on their own citizens to mitigate the effects of runaway climate change. Now, some governments will invade and raid other nations to acquire resources. That will (will? -- lol -- is) happening.

I think the climate change problem will solve itself the old fashioned way:
-Violence
-Famine
-Disease

Or markets. Or technology. Or some combination thereof.

I don't yet see the need for panic and despair. I certainly don't see a totalitarian solution as viable.

[Williamsmith]

Or markets. Or technology. Or some combination thereof.

I don't yet see the need for panic and despair. I certainly don't see a totalitarian solution as viable.

True. The panic and despair will kick in after the inauguration of President Trump...

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And actually, we’ve had times where the weather wasn’t working out, so they changed it to extreme weather, and they have all different names, you know, so that it fits the bill. But the problem we have, and if you look at our energy costs, and all of the things that we’re doing to solve a problem that I don’t think in any major fashion exists. I mean, Obama thinks it’s the number one problem of the world today. And I think it’s very low on the list. So I am not a believer, and I will, unless somebody can prove something to me, I believe there’s weather. I believe there’s change, and I believe it goes up and it goes down, and it goes up again. And it changes depending on years and centuries, but I am not a believer, and we have much bigger problems.

I may vote Trump just to get to hear him speak for four years. He's kinda like the Yogi Berra of politics. "You can observe a lot by just watching". The ice in the Antarctic is growing, I have observed that. Must be global warming.

[Gregg]

Sure they will. Force is what governments do.

+1

[Gregg]

No need for economic growth.

It seems somewhat obvious that if we can start to get away from an economic model based on constant growth a lot of ancillary problems would be self-solving. Any system that requires that kind of growth to survive is, by nature, unsustainable and will reach a tipping point because it will run out of resources. Healthy systems find an equilibrium. Maybe we should, too.

Side note: there are very efficient and sustainable ways to heat with wood. Just not in deserts and not with open fires.

[Rogar]

The ice in the Antarctic is growing, I have observed that. Must be global warming.

A controversial topic that has conflicting conclusions. I think both sides are fairly discussed here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...41446754571422

[jp1]

Sure they will. Force is what governments do.

Maybe what Ultralite meant was that our government won't force our citizens to mitigate the effects of runway climate change. After all, the party that has a majority of both houses doesn't think climate change is a concern.

[Alan]

Maybe what Ultralite meant was that our government won't force our citizens to mitigate the effects of runway climate change. After all, the party that has a majority of both houses doesn't think climate change is a concern.

What Congress may or may not believe is not relevant in issues such as this. Our government is now predominately regulatory, the EPA need only proclaim a standard based entirely on whatever goal they wish to enforce and then use the power of the government to police their desires. This ultimately leads to governmental force against anyone who cannot or will not voluntarily comply.

[ApatheticNoMore]

But I don't think would do it for this kind of thing.

Like, "Okay, populace! Time to force you all to live simply!"

That is a one ingredient recipe for revolt.

they probably won't do it because they are owned by the money that buys them. It's really pretty simple. Now I could be wrong and they could decide climate change is such an existential threat that none of that short term corruption matters, but I won't hold my breath. Being bought by the highest bidder is what our government does.

[catherine]

What Congress may or may not believe is not relevant in issues such as this. Our government is now predominately regulatory, the EPA need only proclaim a standard based entirely on whatever goal they wish to enforce and then use the power of the government to police their desires. This ultimately leads to governmental force against anyone who cannot or will not voluntarily comply.

Then how do you explain the dismal lack of enforcement of the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts?