The Pope vs The Donald

[iris lilies]

Today The Pope said that Trump isnt a Christian due to his ungenerous opinion on immigration in the U.S. The Pope mentioned Donald's wish to build a wall.

To apologists for the Pope, does it logically follow that other AmerIcans who talk about further restricting immigrants to this country are not Christian?

What about Mexicans, are they better Christians for opening up their country wider to foreign immigrants? Oh wait, that doesn't happen. The U.S. immigration number is about 10x that of Mexico.

Many points to discuss here, but today I am annoyed by the Pope because

1) he is dissing my country and my contributions to the world via tax dollars, as though a country that gives billions more in financial aid than more Catholic countries does noth Ng, its just the mythical wall that counts

2) he is giving Trump another day of sound bites all over the media just before a big primary vote

[Alan]

The Pope's comments today made me wonder about the immigration policy of Vatican City, an internationally recognized nation/state. It turns out they don't permit it.

[CathyA]

I usually like what the pope says. I'm an atheist, but he seems like a genuinely good person. He always is for love and peace. However........I was disappointed that he said this about Trump's immigration policy, because even though I find Trump offensive, obnoxious, etc., etc., I also feel like there has to be limits on immigration. But I guess if you're supposedly the head of a church, you are probably going to have this opinion about always taking in everyone. It's a little out of touch with some of the aspects of this issue. But still.........he's a pretty cool dude.

[iris lilies]

The Pope's comments today made me wonder about the immigration policy of Vatican City, an internationally recognized nation/state. It turns out they don't permit it.

Hey, do you thnk that big wall around Vatican City has anything to do with keeping out the riff raff?

[Alan]

Hey, do you thnk that big wall around Vatican City has anything to do with keeping out the riff raff?

Looks pretty effective to me.

[ToomuchStuff]

The Pope's comments today made me wonder about the immigration policy of Vatican City, an internationally recognized nation/state. It turns out they don't permit it.

Typical hypocrisy of the church. However I do wonder why the pope thinks he speaks for Christians, when to the best of my knowledge, he is the leader of the Catholic church, and not other Protestant denominations?
Seems as arrogant as saying Trump isn't a good Muslim.

[razz]

Never thought that I would see The Trump defended in the Spirituality forum. Now I believe that anything is possible.

[catherine]

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I had no problem getting in.


I saw a quote the other day that represents the way the Pope views it: "If you are more fortunate than others it is better to build a longer table than a higher fence."

Pragmatically and politically, some may feel it's foolish to open our borders to all, but not to a Christian. (ETA: well, some Evangelicals may disagree)

[Alan]

I had no problem getting in:



I saw a quote the other day that represents the Pope's thinking as a Christian: "If we are more fortunate than others, it is better to build a longer table than a higher fence"

Pragmatically and politically, some may say we are foolish to keep the borders open, but the spirit of Christianity says otherwise.

I agree, although I believe most people would also agree that a sovereign nation should be able to control the volume of immigration to it's shores. I think the United States currently welcomes more legal immigrants each year than any other country in the world, and that's on top of the massive numbers of immigrants entering illegally. Plus, the President has previously affirmed that we are not a Christian nation, so, should we be held to that standard?

[catherine]

I agree, although I believe most people would also agree that a sovereign nation should be able to control the volume of immigration to it's shores. I think the United States currently welcomes more legal immigrants each year than any other country in the world, and that's on top of the massive numbers of immigrants entering illegally. Plus, the President has previously affirmed that we are not a Christian nation, so, should we be held to that standard?

True, that's why the lenses through which we look at this issue is so different. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and render to God the things that are God's." Very interesting question: Are we a Christian nation? Faith should not dictate policy, but it can (and does) inform it, I suppose.