The Pope vs The Donald

[Rogar]

Every time this happens Trump get air time on the media. Sometimes I wonder if he makes his audacious statements as a part of his plan. It's free advertising. Last night's news first had his response to the pope and then his idea to boycott Apple and then his statements about the war in Iraq.

[catherine]

I found the latest RealClearPolitics poll numbers to be provocative:

You see that on February 15 something happened that caused Trump to shoot up across national polls and Rubio to shoot down--presumably Rubio voters defected to Trump? Wasn't that the date of the Pope thing? Looks like a few Cruz voters were collateral damage, too. No wonder Trump was a little more solicitous toward the Pope yesterday. He should get on his knees and kiss his ring for all the votes he got!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-3823.html

[iris lilies]

IL, to respond to one of your original points about sound bites, here is the film clip of the sound bite, at the New York Times website:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/us...=68050367&_r=0

I don't know if you had seen him responding directly to the pope. Do you think he scores points here? What do you think his strategy is?

i dont watch tv news, i hear it on radio and I skim written reports. . My opinion stands that The Donald scores from negative attention, especially from the Pope. The media features him front and center, who else gets that kind of coverage? As a secondary point, and not that it matters, his "firing back" to the Pope that I heard wasnt that hard on the Pope. I disnt watch the link.

But I am not a supporter of Trump, so it doesnt matter what I think about his treatment of the Pope.. It seems he got a bump in the polls from all of this. good job, Donald.

Trump strategyis to attract controversy, fire back, and make sound bites. Seems to be working for him.

[razz]

But does the "Trump approach" make for a good President and legislative leader? Does that not enter into the thoughts of those polled?

[catherine]

But does the "Trump approach" make for a good President and legislative leader? Does that not enter into the thoughts of those polled?

I doubt it. People don't make rational decisions without being heavily influenced by their emotions, whether they know it or not. Trump is probably the world's best salesman, and people are buying.

[ApatheticNoMore]

People aren't "irrational" because they don't see the same aspect of something as you. I'm not defending voting Trump. But whether one is a good legislative leader isn't what everyone is voting on, some may be focused on "hiring someone who can work with others" as it were, and some might be more focused on issues (although then Trump is probably not their guy on most things either, as he doesn't take consistent positions).

People can make rational enough decisions, just on voting for someone it's pretty much a great deal of unknowable, like how they will actually govern, versus how they promise etc.. Of course Trump is not even consistent from day to day ... so it's an extreme unknowable.

[ToomuchStuff]

But now this thread has gone off on a Spirituality path, maybe I should move it back? haha.nope.

I thought it was appropriate where it was, it doesn't belong here at all IMHO.

Ah, so we're comparing the "country" of Vatican City, which has an area of 109 acres and a population of 450 (and isn't completely surrounded by walls), to the US, which has an area of 3.8 million square miles and a population of 330 million.

We should check on Monaco--they're probably not pulling their weight either.

I didn't say anything about the wall, so your mixing posters together.
I do think if the leader of Monaco, made the statements that the Pope did, then judge accordingly. Since I am not a believer, but an agnostic, I am surprised I remember Mathew 7, that the Pope should have read first:
Judge not, that he be judged.

Every time this happens Trump get air time on the media. Sometimes I wonder if he makes his audacious statements as a part of his plan. It's free advertising.

In all honesty, I think they are. If he wins, he can try to do what he wants. He can resign if he gets fed up with it, and I think he still ends up with a lot of the benefits of former presidents. If he loses, he has gained countless $$$ of publicity to put towards some other moneymaking venture (bigger "your fired" show), etc.

[sylvia]

Im a practicing Catholic and an Immigrant. I would like to share that I came through the "front door",now a citizen I vote.I follow the rules. No sneaking in. It's not good for the Pope to get involved in politics yet Pope John Paul II was adamant about tearing down Communism. So indirectly yes vatican has big influence. I thing the Pope is a good person and lives way more simply than any Pope before him. How can you still take the bus as Cardinal and ride in a small Fiat and expect other Cardinals to do the same? He even doesnt live in the luxurious papal apartments. It seems Trump is the scapegoat here. Trump is simply trying to enforce immigration laws that may help ultimately immigrants. Number one issue =with a wall; Government of Mexico will have to deal with the reason why people leave in the first place. People should stand up and demand a reform, (Start with your country) Many immigrants love their native countries and families but are forced to leave to care for their families because there are no jobs.They would come through the front door checked for criminal history, blood drawn for HIV and other dieases(sorry had to jump through those hoops in the 90's). Many people in my family applied for visas and waited years for an answer. Secondly, it would stop the drugs and cartels if people stopped buying them and other reasons.Yes i guess all drugs should be legal then there would be protection and more control.Lets make drugs a mental health issue addressing depression and bi polar etc.not a criminal issue. It's the drug pushers that exploit certain people. Trump calls it the beautiful golden front door of America. What's the crime for following the rules. What the Pope saw in Mexico is a result of no wall/ no immigration enforcement. I wonder how people can officially even mention that they are undocumented? It mind boggles me. Also I think that hiring illegals and exploiting these people is plainly exploitation of people who have no rights. If they came in through the front door they would have rights and you wouldnt pay them dirt under the table. Maybe our own economy might just improve. That's my view coming from that. Im disappointed about the Pope saying Trump is not a Christian yet Trump has mentioned that "Christians are dying in the middle east and being killed by ISIS".He has mentioned that in his speeches over and over.The threat is real.Yea it's nice to build bridges and not walls but frankly Europe is on it's way to building bigger was to keep out refugees. Again it's immigration policy. I was horrified visiting Europe that there were no "borders" you just drive through yea if you are a nice person but the smugglers, drug pushers and human traffickers go waltzing through.Borders are good they keep you safe.

[peggy]

.... Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton, who believe that infanticide within one day of delivery is OK....

Wow! Pulling things straight from our behind now, Alan? Not even giving it the courtesy of "some say...."?

I know it's tough to actually come up with real examples of horrible policy/thought/action but I think you could do better than this.

[Alan]

Wow! Pulling things straight from our behind now, Alan?

No, out of their documented statements. Pelosi has gone on record referring to late term abortions as "sacred ground" and Clinton has stated that she doesn't want to see governmental restrictions on late term abortions. Should I not take them at their word?