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    Quote Originally Posted by razz View Post
    OK, I had to protest the term "old codger". Who decides who is old and who is capable?

    From what I have read, it seems that Sanders is simply giving Trump sound bytes to use very effectively in the lead-up to the election. Unprincipled is my call but I am not in the situation or decision-making role so please ignore as irrelevant from an outsider.
    I wouldn't call it unprincipled. He is obviously committed to his views of class and the economy. Also, as long as the money keeps flowing in from his followers, he may simply be wanting to stay in the spotlight as long as possible before sinking back into obscurity. I'm just confused about what he thinks he's accomplishing in practical terms. Maybe it's just the pure spiteful joy of vexing Mrs. Clinton and what she represents.

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    A Canadian calls The Bern unprincipled and an American right-winger stands up for him.

    Am I in a bizzaro world!? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    A Canadian calls The Bern unprincipled and an American right-winger stands up for him.

    Am I in a bizzaro world!? lol
    I know! It seems like it.

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    What do they call The Bern in Canada?

    A moderate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    A Canadian calls The Bern unprincipled and an American right-winger stands up for him.

    Am I in a bizzaro world!? lol
    What is it Sancho Panza said of Don Quixote? "He is mad, but greatly mad. And I admire greatness".

    His views on class are destructive Marxist nonsense. His policy proposals are an insult to logic. But he is consistent and forthright in his nonsensical ideas, and I can certainly admire his principled (if ridiculous) stand.

    I certainly wouldn't call him unprincipled on his disregard for Democratic Party unity. I don't think he ever really pretended to be a Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    What I see as a real sign of weakness is a country that needs to spend more on its military than the rest of the planet combined, just to feel safe - and even then that's not enough, there's So Much To Fear out there!!!
    Well, when you fear simply shopping at the local Target without being armed to the teeth (or church, school, mall, restaurant, etc...) your gonna vote for 'armed to the teeth' nationally speaking.
    Yes, a sign of weakness. And being easily manipulated. All those people, home and abroad, truly BELIEVE that they/we NEED to be armed to the teeth.
    Trump plays into that. Of course he promises to 'build up the military'

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    What is it Sancho Panza said of Don Quixote? "He is mad, but greatly mad. And I admire greatness".

    His views on class are destructive Marxist nonsense. His policy proposals are an insult to logic. But he is consistent and forthright in his nonsensical ideas, and I can certainly admire his principled (if ridiculous) stand.

    I certainly wouldn't call him unprincipled on his disregard for Democratic Party unity. I don't think he ever really pretended to be a Democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    The intellectual conservative. You, sir, are a dying breed.
    Must be all those White Castle sliders.

    I look forward to the day we return to assassinating each others' ideas rather than each others' characters (assuming that happy time ever really existed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by razz View Post
    OK, I had to protest the term "old codger". Who decides who is old and who is capable?

    From what I have read, it seems that Sanders is simply giving Trump sound bytes to use very effectively in the lead-up to the election. Unprincipled is my call but I am not in the situation or decision-making role so please ignore as irrelevant from an outsider.
    I also reject the term feeble old codger. He is keeping up with a grueling campaign schedule, and he is connecting with millions of "young whippersnappers." razz, your characterization of him as unprincipled is exactly the opposite of how I see it, but I guess it depends on if your principles are based on what you want to see in the world vs making sure your party wins--or specifically, Clinton, but...

    All kinds of polls show that a Sanders/Trump campaign would be a win for the Democrats, but right now, a Clinton/Trump campaign is very much on the fence, so you could say that he is principled on both counts (ideals + keeping his party in office). The independents who like Trump are the same ones who would have to decide between Trump and Sanders in a general election
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    Come on! Did anyone watch the video of Bernie boxing?

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