Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

[Williamsmith]

Well, anyone who was born and raised in Toledo Ohio necessarily must have a sense of humor to survive.

I agree with every single thing he says about Hillary Clinton except that she is "less worse" than Donald. Donald is just a mere blowhard. Hillary puts her money where her mouth is.

And I take offense to his describing the electorate as possessed by a devil and suffering from mass psychosis. Had the Republican Party fielded any serious candidates, had they cared at all about the base of their party and not left it for dead, had they not done deals with the devil at every turn and been psychotic about their own comfortable DC existence....perhaps the electorate wouldn't have decided to eat the party leaders.

Enjoy your public hug with Hillary. Ewe.

[catherine]

I've been a fan of O'Rourke for years. Holidays in Hell, The CEO of the Sofa, All the Trouble in the World.

I'm not sure if he's the one who said "If you were raised by Helicopter Parents, then the Sanders platform makes perfect sense to you."

Well, I am a boomer who was not raised by helicopter parents by a long shot. I have made my own way, take responsibility for my own actions, feel entitled to nothing, and feel responsible for my fellow man. And the Sanders Plan works for me. It benefits me, not because I can't afford the ridiculous $1500/month health insurance bill I am paying, but because I don't want my fellow man to be sick or die simply because he/she isn't hooked up to an employer with a healthcare plan. It benefits me, not because I don't have the brains to earn a living but because I feel a 40 hour paycheck should allow anyone to earn a decent living. It benefits me not because I'm against wealth but because I'm for logical checks and balances in an economic system that will ensure a flow of consumption and production that works for the most number of people. As Pope Francis said, "unfettered capitalism" results in vulnerable societies.

I paid for my kids' educations; I would hope that my grandchildren don't have to mortgage their futures because of the usury of Sallie Mae. I work my a$$ off each and every day, and I thank God that I'm not working my a$$ off only to still have to choose between dinner and a trip to the doctor.

[Ultralight]

Dude.

The GOP fielded their best and brightest. I am not being sarcastic either.

Lyin' Ted, Florida Bush, Rubot, Mr. Boring from Ohio, The Surgeon.

Come on. This is the best of the GOP.


But I think it is less about candidates and more about ideas.

Even conservative/Republican workin' folks are getting hip to the fact that the GOP's economic policies don't do right by them.

Heck, even a few folks in Kansas got the memo on that. And we all know what's the matter with Kansas.

[Ultralight]

My parents were not chopperin' in for nothin'!

And that is exactly why I supported The Bern.

[Zoe Girl]

Well, I am a boomer who was not raised by helicopter parents by a long shot. I have made my own way, take responsibility for my own actions, feel entitled to nothing, and feel responsible for my fellow man. And the Sanders Plan works for me. It benefits me, not because I can't afford the ridiculous $1500/month health insurance bill I am paying, but because I don't want my fellow man to be sick or die simply because he/she isn't hooked up to an employer with a healthcare plan.

and I thank God that I'm not working my a$$ off only to still have to choose between dinner and a trip to the doctor.

Yes, I think that the criticisms of the younger generation need to be tempered with a DEEP understanding that it we get much less for the same hours of work and have a generation on the edge of broke all the time. Logical checks and balances are necessary now, there was an understanding that supporting corporations would trickle down the wealth and they have not done that. So time for a change. If nothing else they should be ineligible for a bail out if their workers need to be on assistance to live or can't afford basic health care. If they can run a business that way without government help like we are asking our average person then great.

It is so painful to see my kids struggle when they have always worked, got great feedback from employers and aren't asking for anything special. On a monthly basis they struggle, skip health care, and I am on the edge but I would help if I could (and get politically active because we shouldn't be relying on the older generations to make up for the economy being so messed up)

[Zoe Girl]

had they not done deals with the devil at every turn and been psychotic about their own comfortable DC existence....perhaps the electorate wouldn't have decided to eat the party leaders.
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As of the last reports from friends who have traveled there, the DC schools are crumbling, unsafe and not supported by all of this. It should be an embarrassment that the nations schools have schools with broken basic services like toilets and falling in ceilings. But it is easier to sell out the education system to 'reformers' who have no teaching creds at all.

[Williamsmith]

As of the last reports from friends who have traveled there, the DC schools are crumbling, unsafe and not supported by all of this. It should be an embarrassment that the nations schools have schools with broken basic services like toilets and falling in ceilings. But it is easier to sell out the education system to 'reformers' who have no teaching creds at all.

Twenty years ago I went to a convention in Detroit. I drove. As soon as you entered Michigan you started seeing crumbling infrastructure and pot holes in the roads. It was a stark contrast coming out of Ohio. Even my area of Pennsylvania was in way better shape. Now, drive around the Great Lakes and you will see that everything is rusting and crumbling.

Pennsylvania did not pass a budget last year and they are headed for another impasse. All the school districts have had to borrow to keep open. So the interest is being heaped upon the tax payers as a result of politicians not doing their job. Nothing is being repaired. Pretty much everybody is fleeing to some other place or taking up residence in the ruins.

[LDAHL]

Well, I am a boomer who was not raised by helicopter parents by a long shot. I have made my own way, take responsibility for my own actions, feel entitled to nothing, and feel responsible for my fellow man. And the Sanders Plan works for me. It benefits me, not because I can't afford the ridiculous $1500/month health insurance bill I am paying, but because I don't want my fellow man to be sick or die simply because he/she isn't hooked up to an employer with a healthcare plan. It benefits me, not because I don't have the brains to earn a living but because I feel a 40 hour paycheck should allow anyone to earn a decent living. It benefits me not because I'm against wealth but because I'm for logical checks and balances in an economic system that will ensure a flow of consumption and production that works for the most number of people. As Pope Francis said, "unfettered capitalism" results in vulnerable societies.

I paid for my kids' educations; I would hope that my grandchildren don't have to mortgage their futures because of the usury of Sallie Mae. I work my a$$ off each and every day, and I thank God that I'm not working my a$$ off only to still have to choose between dinner and a trip to the doctor.

Ignoring the very real suffering out there would be cruel.

Promising to fix it with the economic equivalent of magic beans is crueler still. There simply aren't enough billionaires out there to dispossess.

[Ultralight]

There simply aren't enough billionaires out there to dispossess.

Perhaps, but there are enough to get us a real good start!

[LDAHL]

Well, anyone who was born and raised in Toledo Ohio necessarily must have a sense of humor to survive.

I agree with every single thing he says about Hillary Clinton except that she is "less worse" than Donald. Donald is just a mere blowhard. Hillary puts her money where her mouth is.

And I take offense to his describing the electorate as possessed by a devil and suffering from mass psychosis. Had the Republican Party fielded any serious candidates, had they cared at all about the base of their party and not left it for dead, had they not done deals with the devil at every turn and been psychotic about their own comfortable DC existence....perhaps the electorate wouldn't have decided to eat the party leaders.

Enjoy your public hug with Hillary. Ewe.

Here's how I see it:

Clinton is promising more overweening government and truckles to tribal identity politics.

Trump is promising more overweening government and truckles to tribal identity politics. And he wants to speak for Republicans in doing so.

That makes Trump worse.

However, it does not follow from that that I would vote for Clinton. I think O'Rourke is wrong in that respect.