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    We can go back for sure! But that would mean we would all die quickly and younger and many diseases would have no treatments. Are you ready for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammy View Post
    We can go back for sure! But that would mean we would all die quickly and younger and many diseases would have no treatments. Are you ready for that?
    Does it really mean that, Tammy? Have we maximized everything along the way? I get nostalgic about it.

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    We can go back without sacrificing much--just by trimming the insurance and Pharma fat from the process.

    People back in the day had to deal with intractable infections (which may be on the rise again), childbirth issues--including infant mortality, and injuries with little access to trauma care. But clean food and water and a hearty lifestyle contributed to long lives for many. A little browsing in genealogy tomes may surprise you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I believe access to affordable health care is a basic human right, yes. Supporting me in this belief is the fact that such access is a feature included in the citizenship of every other developed nation on this planet.
    I thought that in this nation we had abandoned the notion that we had a right to the product of others labor way back in 1865. I knew that the Democratic Party of that era was reluctant to accept it and am sad to see that after all this time, it still exists.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    It's not either/or. I'm sure not everything has been maximized. But I would prefer to live today in the Western world of healthcare than any other time or place I'm familiar with.

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    I've been a nurse for 19 years and I've been a home-birthing home-schooling natural foods mother since the 80s. I'm well read. Tens of thousands of pages on this stuff. I stand by my belief that I'm lucky to be in this time and place for my best chance at a long and healthy life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    When hearing about the ACA I never thought it was going to come with such high deductibles that people would not be able to afford to use it. I don't think others thought that either.
    This is why turning Medicare into grants to buy insurance will be a financial disaster for old folks. Instead of that we should be looking to revise the ACA to be more like Medicare.

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    I would agree that the state of the art in medicine is better than it ever has been--MRIs and other tools can be invaluable. Our trauma care is second to none. But that doesn't negate the fact that costs have been inflated beyond all reason and that outcomes are lackluster at best in many cases--and too often fatal, if statistics can be believed.

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    Trump just unloaded on members of the mainstream press covering a press conference on the money he raised for Veterans organizations. He called one a sleeze and many others dishonest to their face. Those reporters were so offended that one of them asked if this was how it was goin to be if he became President. The answer, Yes.

    Im starting to like this guy. But then again, I love hot pepper cheese and salt and vinegar chips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I thought that in this nation we had abandoned the notion that we had a right to the product of others labor way back in 1865. I knew that the Democratic Party of that era was reluctant to accept it and am sad to see that after all this time, it still exists.
    If you refer to the "abolishing" of slavery I can assure you, we merely outsourced it to third-world countries.

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