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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I'm impressed. Even when you talk about that horrible jackass you manage to find something to be optimistic about.
    Even liberals would suffer. In recent years, they have needed to look through the conservative wastebasket for ideas like Obamacare or the Carbon Tax.

    Even worse, where would they turn to populate their narrative with villains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    The secret of his "success" is that he tells his followers what they want to hear with little regard for truth or logic.

    I think he is exactly what he appears to be: a crude, mendacious buffoon with a limited grasp of the issues.
    Well, Trump is enjoying the "success" most recent conservative candidates only dream of. Conservatism doesn't understand that they speak for a narrow slice of the voting pie. They pretend to speak for a broad base but most of that base doesn't exist, they don't care at all about economic theory, moral politics or Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Thomas Lowell. They care about MLB, NBA, NHL and NASCAR and what beer is on sale at the local distributor.

    The basic fact is Trumps base is the salt of the earth, the common working folk, the guys who sit at the American Legion bar and shoot the bull then go home and have it out with the old lady. It ain't brain surgery. And no somebody finally represents them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Well, Trump is enjoying the "success" most recent conservative candidates only dream of. Conservatism doesn't understand that they speak for a narrow slice of the voting pie. They pretend to speak for a broad base but most of that base doesn't exist, they don't care at all about economic theory, moral politics or Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Thomas Lowell. They care about MLB, NBA, NHL and NASCAR and what beer is on sale at the local distributor.

    The basic fact is Trumps base is the salt of the earth, the common working folk, the guys who sit at the American Legion bar and shoot the bull then go home and have it out with the old lady. It ain't brain surgery. And no somebody finally represents them.
    The three strong Trump supporters I know are busness women with IQ's higher than mine. Phd's, MBAs, etc. While i cannot grock their support, they arent fans of NASCAR or any of the sports you named. One IS a rabid NFL fan, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The three strong Trump supporters I know are busness women with IQ's higher than mine. Phd's, MBAs, etc. While i cannot grock their support, they arent fans of NASCAR or any of the sports you named. One IS a rabid NFL fan, though.
    Well, there it is.......proof Trump IS uniting the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    In recent years, they have needed to look through the conservative wastebasket for ideas like Obamacare or the Carbon Tax.
    I agree. I'm equally tired of the democratic party pretending to be republican-lite. It's about time they got back to acting like people matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Well, Trump is enjoying the "success" most recent conservative candidates only dream of. Conservatism doesn't understand that they speak for a narrow slice of the voting pie. They pretend to speak for a broad base but most of that base doesn't exist, they don't care at all about economic theory, moral politics or Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Thomas Lowell. They care about MLB, NBA, NHL and NASCAR and what beer is on sale at the local distributor.

    The basic fact is Trumps base is the salt of the earth, the common working folk, the guys who sit at the American Legion bar and shoot the bull then go home and have it out with the old lady. It ain't brain surgery. And no somebody finally represents them.
    Of the two trump supporters I actually know personally one fits that image (although too young to be interested in the American Legion bar) and the other is a well off retired Canadian immigrant who holds the distinction of being the only Canadian I personally know who doesn't like their healthcare. Not at all a respresentative sample, admittedly, but what can I say, my Canadian former co-worker is probably one of roughly ten trump supporters in the bay area. (or at least one of the ten trump supporters here who will actually admit to being a trump supporter)

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    Get ready for the mayhem, batten down the hatches.


    Check this out:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...outside-rally/

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    Get ready for the mayhem, batten down the hatches.


    Check this out:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...outside-rally/
    People waving Mexican flags appear to be violent. I guess they think We need socialism so we don't have to put up with free speech. Capitalism is a crime.....but they didn't say what the punishment is. I guess we find out later.

    "hatred, racism and violence" is universal. The left is very good at it also.

    And the police, who can blame them, if they take action they lose their jobs and get arrested too.

    Dont worry, Philadelphia will have its share of mayhem. The white middleclass doesn't have a job to go to that they care about, they will have plenty of time to devote to riot, mischief and general rebellion.

    I will have to say, that was a pretty wimpy display of riot and violence. We can do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    The basic fact is Trumps base is the salt of the earth, the common working folk, the guys who sit at the American Legion bar and shoot the bull then go home and have it out with the old lady. It ain't brain surgery. And no somebody finally represents them.
    The fact is Trump supporters have a mean household income of about $72,000. Now maybe that's a few dozen billionaires and a lot of redundant factory workers, but I somehow doubt it.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...er-links-click

    I would agree that Trump "represents" a lot of unfocused, ill-directed anger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    The fact is Trump supporters have a mean household income of about $72,000. Now maybe that's a few dozen billionaires and a lot of redundant factory workers, but I somehow doubt it.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...er-links-click

    I would agree that Trump "represents" a lot of unfocused, ill-directed anger.
    Based on exit poll estimates.......Independent? That is a large block of voters that wasn't counted. In my state for instance, an Independent wasn't permitted to vote in the primary for Trump. Primary voters are more frequently educated and do not represent a cross section of the eventual generalelection voters. AND exit poll questioning about income is usually overstated by the respondent. Human nature. I took a look at th numbers and I fall below even the low estimate on Hillary and I consider myself well off. Also, $72,000 in Pennsylvania is not the same as $72,000 in Texas etc. Your turn.

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