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    Police and taxes

    Did not know where to post this. I was listening to the radio several days ago in the middle of the night and this story just hit me. A very large county in Oregon has very limited police protection. People are told, when they call a 911 type center, to call back when someone is available and people cannot go to jail since there is no money to fund it. Crime is exploding.

    Here is one article I found: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1353085 and another http://www.kivitv.com/longform/in-th...aw-enforcement

    Regardless of the historic reason for the current situation, it appears that the population (enough who vote) could not care less about their friends and neighbors and believe that they can protect themselves. Crime is exploding. I think the reporter said theft had gone from $12,000 per year to over $300,000.

    One poor man had everything he owned stolen and was told to call back the next day. He called and called and then was told to go to the next town to their police and when he got there he was arrested for something like harassment.

    One resident who wanted more business to move in to the county to provide jobs, was asked what about when the business is robbed. He laughed and said robbed by government taxes or a robber?

    I think everyone who can should leave and leave now. They have voted down 4 levies to pay for more police or at least a full time force.

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    The fourteenth amendment would seem to disagree. There is an expectation of "due process". If you are talkin federally protected civil liberties here.

    And of course if the State creates an environment of "danger" by the inaction of law enforcement.......then civil penalties can ensue.

    Either way, chaos is just around the corner in that community, if all is the way it is reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    The fourteenth amendment would seem to disagree. There is an expectation of "due process". If you are talkin federally protected civil liberties here.

    And of course if the State creates an environment of "danger" by the inaction of law enforcement.......then civil penalties can ensue.

    Either way, chaos is just around the corner in that community, if all is the way it is reported.
    People can just police their own community now, save a few bucks by depriving the tax man.

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    Sounds like they are dumping the socialist model - I'm sure anyone who wants to hire protection there is free to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creaker View Post
    Sounds like they are dumping the socialist model - I'm sure anyone who wants to hire protection there is free to do so.
    Read about the Coal and Iron Police. There is a very important reason why the private hire model doesn't work when there is no counter balance from public law enforcement. You know, things like lynchings and the violation of human rights in exchange for money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creaker View Post
    Sounds like they are dumping the socialist model - I'm sure anyone who wants to hire protection there is free to do so.
    And they can probably hire more qualified applicants too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Read about the Coal and Iron Police. There is a very important reason why the private hire model doesn't work when there is no counter balance from public law enforcement. You know, things like lynchings and the violation of human rights in exchange for money.
    You're just nay-saying because public law "enforcement" buttered your bread.

    Let these folks have the freedom to either be their own security or hire their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    You're just nay-saying because public law "enforcement" buttered your bread.

    Let these folks have the freedom to either be their own security or hire their own.
    I got butter on my bread the old fashioned way, I "churned it."

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    Once people see how crime dramatically drops in this community there will be massive lay-offs of police forces all over the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    I got butter on my bread the old fashioned way, I "churned it."
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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