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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    That is such an odd view of the function of the stock market (owning stock == hoarding) that I don't really know where to go...
    But when a corporation buys back stock and that money is spent to purchase existing stock in another company that's certainly not the definition of investing in increased production. It's simply storing wealth in the hopes that that wealth will increase in value.

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    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    But when a corporation buys back stock and that money is spent to purchase existing stock in another company that's certainly not the definition of investing in increased production. It's simply storing wealth in the hopes that that wealth will increase in value.
    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Nope.
    So enlighten stupid me. What is that situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Interesting that you say Trump in the same sentence as sending jobs to other countries ... that is his MO. Also you talk about this being a stagnant economy.... look at other nations.... they are in a depression. We are doing well compared to the rest of the world yet you complain. Trump's political incorrectness is beyond brash... he is repugnant to many Americans and most foreigners. Also saying climate change is not an immediate threat is having your head in the sand. Even the head of the Republican party is put off by Trump. Now, that says a lot!!! Even after Ryan said he would endorse Trump he reprimanded him for his ridiculous remarks about the judge in his Trump University fiasco. Also saying you don't need a President that you can admire.... what BS. I do agree that Trump is not someone to admire. Clinton has problems too. Again, it is going to be picking the lesser of two evils.
    I don't want you to consider me thoughtless to your remarks. I have chewed on them. But I would like to respond only to your last. In picking the lesser of two evils.

    How can we be satisfied in this picking of one evil over another? One evil has spawned the other. One evil we know where it comes from, the other I am not sure what it believes. One evil has been responsible for much of the beauracratic mess that has allowed the infrastructure of this country to crumble. The other evil is thriving in criticizing the inefficiency.

    Of course, Trump has no idea how to solve the problems and probably will get a few things right and a few things terribly wrong and mostly will get nothing done because of his inexcusable narcissistic thin skin. Clinton has been more in control of the power that is necessary to get things done more than any other in the last ten years save Obama and yet because of the Democrats inability to govern efficiently.....we now have an environment where toxicity thrives.

    You can point at how disgusting Trump,is...and I will agree with you but Democrats like Clinton must be held accountable for their governance in abstentia. If we can solve terror by killing American citizens by decree, then we can attack our crumbling schools and infrastructure with equal precision. The Democrats have been woefully inadequate and enjoy too much blaming it on the machinations of Republican resistance.

    When I hear Clinton talk, I hear someone who is pausing to filter words through a political correctness app. I do not know who she really is. With Trump, I know immediately. It is impossible to be in this political discussion without getting the crap all over you whichever side you choose. I do feel a little cause for alarm over that. And I do believe our government has been layered and crusted over with buearacracy to the point of gridlock. A little knock on thensidenof the machine with a rock is in order.

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    I'm leaning toward bae's approach of voting your conscience; I may write in Bernie. (Which will have no real effect--Hillary is a shoo-in here.)

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    I have a connection to Ron Paul that goes back to his childhood home. I could write in Rand Paul and sleep well at night.

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    Where are all the third party candidates who could win enough electoral college votes to keep both Hillary and Donald from getting to 270. That way we could have the House pick a President and the Senate a Vice President. And the third party candidate could have a vocabulary that includes more than four letter one syllable words and isn't as insufferable as the other nominee.

    Now I know this scenario has been laughed at and tossed in the trash bin more than once over the last few months but bear with me here.

    First, I realize it was unthinkable that a third party independent could turn any blue state enough to win delegates in the primary. But the toxic political environment around Trump has the worm turning and considering his penchant to double down on stupidity, there is reason for renewed optimism here for the general election.

    So let's make some desperate assumptions. Assume that a candidate from the Deep South can be found that could win Texas. Hmmm. That strips 38 from most likely Trump. Now let's say this same person could command Florida and Pennsylvania or Ohio..... that blocks 47/49 from the other side. Or how about New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon and Nevada....that's 27 otherwise blue electoral college votes.

    The real fireworks are about to begin between Donald the blowhard and Hillary the unimaginable. Perhaps now someone will see the opportunity is fading and jump in with both feet for Texas. Gimme a T for Texas.

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    Or someone mainstream on the right needs to decide to run independent but only if Bernie will also run independent. Then we've got a 4 way race with outsiders and insiders from both sides of the spectrum. Let the best (wo)man win. If that happened then bring out the popcorn because it'd be the most exciting presidential race of my lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Or someone mainstream on the right needs to decide to run independent but only if Bernie will also run independent. Then we've got a 4 way race with outsiders and insiders from both sides of the spectrum. Let the best (wo)man win. If that happened then bring out the popcorn because it'd be the most exciting presidential race of my lifetime.
    In a case like that probably nobody would get to 270 and the top three would be thrown to the house and senate respectively for picking president and Vice President. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    I have a connection to Ron Paul that goes back to his childhood home. I could write in Rand Paul and sleep well at night.
    Right now, that is my plan in the voting booth.

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