How many more?

[LDAHL]

So what is the solution if all cultures can't meld? In my fantasy sometimes it's for white people to leave the country, GO BACK HOME, go back to Europe already (white Sander's supports may not have a problem with this ). It's the native american's country of course, but what to do with people brought over here in chains. Yea I know there are lot of other much more voluntary immigrant groups (not to mention people of mixed race, should have told them cultures "don't meld" before the parents got in bed I guess).

I find your speciesist attitude inappropriate for the enlightened 21st century. Why should the heirs to the perpetrators of the Woolly Mammoth genocide be granted special privilege? They didn't build the Western Hemisphere.

[bae]

I find your speciesist attitude inappropriate for the enlightened 21st century. Why should the heirs to the perpetrators of the Woolly Mammoth genocide be granted special privilege? They didn't build the Western Hemisphere.

I've got enough Neanderthal genes that I feel quite comfortable asking you all to get off my lawn!

[Ultralight]

I know I sound like a broken record, but I have to wonder if all cultures are not supposed to meld. Some cultures have behavior that other cultures find inappropriate/offensive. But in our country especially, we're supposed to deny all those feelings.
It really irks me that all I'm hearing on the news is "We have to come together!" Well, some people don't want to come together......which is a problem. Of course there are many in each culture who CAN come together. But some cannot. And it can only lead to these types of unrest all the time. But we keep insisting that we all have to be alike, or accepting of most all behaviors. Some behaviors can't ever be accepted. We all have had different pasts and experiences, so we can't really tell each other to believe what we believe, because reality may have led us to a different place.

How would this go over: If we had group discussion with blacks and whites, where people actually said what they really felt? And I'm not talking just about educated people. I fear it would turn into violence.........
Some people just don't want to get along or "conform".

Can you explain this a little more? Perhaps give a few more real-life examples?

[CathyA]

Bae..........go ahead and imply I'm a racist. I do a lot of thinking as to why things become the way they do, but it doesn't mean those thoughts come from hatred or unacceptance. I like trying to figure out the root of some problems. I find it curious when some people are so offended by anyone questioning anything. You are one of the first on this forum to jump on anyone who has feelings other than you about gender identity, race, etc.......and yet, at the same time, you come across as quite arrogant/condescending. Those are 2 qualities that I find hard to explain in one person. I'm not trying to insult you......it's just the way I see it.

If the reality is that we are where we are, then of course we have to figure out a way to get along. But not talking about the real issues that divide us isn't going to help at all. And just blanketly saying everyone should accept everyone has their head in the clouds. We deny so much in this country and cover it up with all sorts of platitudes and trying desperately to ignore what's really going on.

I, personally, will try to stay away from society as much as I can. Too many people are just living and acting in ways that just aren't for me.

[LDAHL]

I've got enough Neanderthal genes that I feel quite comfortable asking you all to get off my lawn!

Well, I paid a web site $29.95 for definitive proof that I am a direct descendant of the primordial soup, so I have complete grievance immunity and ethnic criticism rights!

[Ultralight]

I like trying to figure out the root of some problems.

Share some what what you think the roots of the problems are.

But not talking about the real issues that divide us isn't going to help at all.

What do you see as the real issues?

I, personally, will try to stay away from society as much as I can. Too many people are just living and acting in ways that just aren't for me.

I also disengage as much as I can. This culture has become so toxic... The whole Realty TV thing is a key example.

[bae]

Bae..........go ahead and imply I'm a racist.

I wasn't implying it at all. I've said it quite explicitly before.

I do a lot of thinking as to why things become the way they do, but it doesn't mean those thoughts come from hatred or unacceptance.

Racism doesn't require "hatred or unacceptance". And guess what, we're *all* racist. The key is to see that, and use that awareness in a useful manner.

I find it curious when some people are so offended by anyone questioning anything.

Why do you assume offense from a simple observation of fact?

[catherine]

He likes to call himself a socialist, why, who knows, he does have a somewhat activist past so maybe he likes identifying with radicalism. Maybe it's pre-emptive, oh well they're just going to call me a pinko anyway (no matter how politically illiterate this may be and when a guy is going off blabbing about national socialism being socialism like in that article you know they are utterly political illterate). But I think he just likes the label. He's a social Democrat, he's also much like an FDR Democrat. Does anyone anywhere use "Democratic socialist" that way as opposed to "social Democrat?". "Democratic socialist" isn't a term in common use I don't think, but I'd tend to think it means something like worker co-ops, which are socialist, and democratic (or aim to be).

I actually have heard Bernie and others often say that he is a democratic socialist. Wikipedia defines it this way:

Democratic socialism is a political ideology that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, often with an emphasis on democratic management of enterprises within a socialist economic system.

and

The key difference between socialism and democratic socialism is that democratic socialists don't want the government to own the means of production and socialists do. They believe that certain general social goods like health care should be run by the government, but otherwise support capitalism.

[LDAHL]

I actually have heard Bernie and others often say that he is a democratic socialist. Wikipedia defines it this way:



and

What's the difference between "social ownership of the means of production" and government control of the means of production?

[Ultralight]

What's the difference between "social ownership of the means of production" and government control of the means of production?

This is no difference, really. It is just phrased to make it sound less Marxist. Call it re-branding.