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    I think the argument is that the sins of the present aren't excused by the sins of the past.

    Or maybe it's that Republicans are awful people.

    Or maybe it's that Republicans would rather criticize their opposition than themselves; unlike the pure and pristine Democrats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I think the argument is that the sins of the present aren't excused by the sins of the past.
    Andrew Jackson ignored treaties, and forced Native Americans to move off their land for "progress".

    So it's OK that Obama is following the same path in Standing Rock. No need to criticize.

    And heck, both Presidents are Democrats, so there's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I think the argument is that the sins of the present aren't excused by the sins of the past.

    Or maybe it's that Republicans are awful people.

    Or maybe it's that Republicans would rather criticize their opposition than themselves; unlike the pure and pristine Democrats?
    No, I think my argument is that if you weren't outraged when your team did it in the past then any criticism when the other team is currently doing it come across as the obvious partisan grandstanding that it is and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    No, I think my argument is that if you weren't outraged when your team did it in the past then any criticism when the other team is currently doing it come across as the obvious partisan grandstanding that it is and nothing more.
    And there's no place for partisan grandstanding in partisan politics.

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    Indeed. People are certainly free to grandstand. But others are equally free to call it out for what it is. And i suppose the grandstanding people are also free to fake outrage at being called out on their grandstanding. But their crocodile tears are about about as believable as Trump's claims of a rigged election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Indeed. People are certainly free to grandstand. But others are equally free to call it out for what it is. And i suppose the grandstanding people are also free to fake outrage at being called out on their grandstanding. But their crocodile tears are about about as believable as Trump's claims of a rigged election.
    And as long as the First Amendment is allowed to continue unmolested, Pots will be free to call Kettles black.

    I will grant you that the Sanders' camp complaints of election-rigging were much more credible than the Trump peoples'.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000003

    And now, two days before the election we learn that the latest email hoohah was just bullcrap. Hopefully this reaults in the end of Comey's tenure at the FBI.

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    And now, two days before the election we learn that the latest email hoohah was just bullcrap. Hopefully this reaults in the end of Comey's tenure at the FBI.
    or dropping the charges is bullcrap. As we have no way of knowing who is pulling whose strings (and on what tarmac), did the Obama administration and the Attorney General have a talk with Comey? We know those people are partisans. Was Comey trying to push the election toward Trump (look we know most of the powers that be want Hillary including the vast majority of the intelligence apparatus and including many Republicans, but Comey might well be wanting a Republican in office, we know he has R sympathies and has mostly worked for Rs). It's all so much parsing motive and hidden things we do not see, which seem unknowable to me.

    All we know is: laws are for the little people. The powers that be get away with things the little people go to jail for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    All we know is: laws are for the little people. The powers that be get away with things the little people go to jail for.
    But the little people also have football, cheap beer, sitcoms, and romance novels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    But the little people also have football, cheap beer, sitcoms, and romance novels.
    ""No shoving there now!" shouted the Deputy Sub-Bursar in a fury. He slammed down he lid of his cash-box. "I shall stop the distribution unless I have good behaviour."

    The Deltas muttered, jostled one another a little, and then were still. The threat had been effective. Deprivation of soma-appalling thought!

    "That's better," said the young man, and reopened his cash-box.

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