Please explain this to me

[Gardnr]

Good point, Yppej, about being able to be with dying relatives for 15 minutes if we wear a mask. It is definitely something that needs to be addressed.

Seriously? Just a mask in a COVID room on a COVID unit?

I give up. Ya'll do not want to learn ACTUAL infection prevention and safety. You prefer your fantasies........

[Gardnr]

I guess if you'd read the actual study, instead of the random comments, you'd see that it is a review of the relevant published literature.

But why bother.

Never dreamed I would give up educating but Bae, the refusal here is ridiculous

Carry on ya'll. But whatever you do , please be sure and the people in your contact tracer under no circumstances go get healthcare. Those people deserve better. I wonder how many more RNs and Docs and RTs I know will die because ya just don't get it

[Tybee]

Seriously? Just a mask in a COVID room on a COVID unit?

I give up. Ya'll do not want to learn ACTUAL infection prevention and safety. You prefer your fantasies........

Gardner, I never said this. What I said is that we can't go to visit my parents, and if they die, we can't get into see them, even if they don't have Covid. We can't see them now, and none of us has covid.

I am talking about ways that families can be with dying family members. I was not talking about being in a hospital setting.

Please stop twisting my words. I am addressing end of life issues, which still exist, even at this time. I never said I was going into a covid unit in a crappy mask and endanger people.

[iris lilies]

There’s never been a virus yet that could spread as fast as a lie congenial to the prevailing narrative.

...and LDAHL hits it out of the park again!

[catherine]

I've never been with a loved one when they died--unless you count my cats. It's my opinion that we all die alone.

That's true. But for the living, being with loved ones when they die is an immeasurable blessing. I was with my mother and my MIL when they died, and I am so glad. It may or may not have helped them, but it definitely helped me. I think the inability of loved ones to be with parents/spouses/etc during these times is huge trauma and tragedy.

Can't we come up with a solution that ensures the safety of all, yet permits the intimacy at these critical times?

[Teacher Terry]

Tybee, hopefully your parents will be fine and you will see them again.

[Tybee]

That's true. But for the living, being with loved ones when they die is an immeasurable blessing. I was with my mother and my MIL when she died, and I am so glad. I think the inability of loved ones to be with parents/spouses/etc during these times is huge trauma and tragedy.

Can't we come up with a solution that ensures the safety of all, yet permits the intimacy at these critical times?

Thank you, Catherine, that is really well stated, something I don't seem to be able to put into words, so thank you for that .

[frugal-one]

Yppej, you’ve had it explained to you that cloth face coverings keep OTHERS. safe. You steadfastly ignore that fact. Can we assume that you simply don’t give a crap about other people? Are you one of those people who refuses to cough into your elbow? All I can say is thank god you live in a different state from me. Most of the people in my state show signs of caring about others. Clearly you don’t.

Yppej, Your constant harping on how we should just stay home forever is ridiculous. I wish you had that option.

[Tybee]

Tybee, hopefully your parents will be fine and you will see them again.

Thanks, Terry, I'm hoping to be able to see my mother again, and dad too--it's just that with her dementia, she does not do well with the phone, can't process what she is hearing and she gets more confused trying to talk on phone.

[Teacher Terry]

Everyone has a need to get out. Being isolated sucks. Old people can’t stay home for years. Tybee it’s hard for people with dementia to talk on the phone.