Please explain this to me

[Teacher Terry]

Meals on wheels is for people that can’t cook for themselves and meet certain income requirements. Plus locally there is a shortage of drivers because many are older themselves. My husband is 5 years younger and has diabetes. He is the shopper and wants to do it so he gets what he wants. We could use Walmart pickup but don’t like their meat. Once he is working out of town I will use it for everything but meat which will mean less time in a store. I wouldn’t want to take a spot away from people older than me who need it more for others to shop for them . Everyone gets to determine their own level of risk because we are all adults.

[Yppej]

Didn't you say you are over 50? You are a senior! It is easy for you to say let someone else shop for me. Some of us don't have family or don't want others picking out our food. I shop every 3 weeks. I don't think that is excessive and if you do, who cares? BTW.. shopping was never fun.

Check the ages for special senior hours, and for senior discounts most places. I think you are confusing the age of eligibility for AARP which is 50 with senior citizen as defined by pretty much everyone else. It has occurred to me that I could find cleaning supplies if I went to the store during senior hour before they sold out, and with my gray hair I probably could get in without being challenged, but I am honest and am not doing that. Also since I have to go to work I'm already exposed to germs, it's not like I can stay safe by having someone else shop for me.

[Yppej]

Meals on wheels is for people that can’t cook for themselves....Everyone gets to determine their own level of risk because we are all adults.

Meals on Wheels is operated by different agencies in different states. I am well aware of their traditional mission. Some agencies are expanding that during the pandemic. Other groups are as well. You are not interested and don't want to connect with do gooders - your choice, but it does not mean they are not out there.

Everyone does not get to determine their own level of risk. The government is putting in place many mandates. A pastor in my state has been repeatedly fined. Before each service he had ServPro come in to sanitize, congregants sat 6 feet apart and wore masks, etc. It did not matter. Freedom of religion and other rights are being taken away, but not the right to shop or, in Nevada, eat out in a restaurant.

[Gardnr]

I have been present for many many deaths, and my impression is similar.

I lost count of how many deaths I witnessed in my years of trauma Surgery. I was with Dad, then a good friend (at the family's request), then my BIL, then my Mom as well. I would not give up being present for them. I believe it is a privilege to support someone during transition be it stranger or family. I once experienced the patient leaving the OR before the pulse and BP changes began. He hovered in the OR until he flatlined and then promptly left.

Yes, with family/friend, it took awhile before the person's appearance in the final moment disappeared in my head and the living person took front stage. But it happens through the grieving process and now I have to really call it up and haven't done that for quite some time.

Death is the final stage of life. I don't think one should be alone. I'm on a RN Covid support group. RNs are staying with their patients, talking to them, holding their hands until they die. Then calling the families and providing as much detail as is requested. Families are grateful to know their loved one was not alone.

[bae]

Everyone does not get to determine their own level of risk. The government is putting in place many mandates.

I have vehicles that are capable of exceeding 200mph, that handle well, that have amazing brakes, and that are well-maintained. I also have lots of professional high speed, evasive, dirt track, offroad, and emergency vehicle driving training, and decades of track time.

And yet there are speed limits, and I sorta-kinda follow them. Heck, I even wear seat belts.

[Yppej]

And yet there are speed limits

Not everywhere. Not on the autobahn if you are driving a car as opposed to a truck, not in various other countries, and within my lifetime not in Montana.

[bae]

Not everywhere. Not on the autobahn if you are driving a car as opposed to a truck, not in various other countries, and within my lifetime not in Montana.

I used to do a yearly 2-laps-of-Montana road rally every year, when they "didn't have a speed limit". In fact, they did - at nighttime it dropped to 55mph, and during the daytime it was "reasonable and prudent", and left to the discretion of the law enforcement officers. I had some chats with them about what their standards were, and they were pretty well thought out. You could not go arbitrarily fast in an arbitrary passenger vehicle.

The Autobahn certainly has speed limits in many sensible sections, and there is a Richtgeschwindigkeit of 130 km/hr on the others, which causes you to assume significant liability if you are involved in an accident above that speed. They also limit the types of vehicles allowed to go that fast, and they also have more stringent vehicle inspection and driver training requirements than we have in the US.

Etc. etc.

But you know this all...

[Teacher Terry]

I have filled out paperwork and helped people here get meals on wheels doing volunteer work. I have colleagues still working in the field. Social workers have their hands full so won’t steal resources from people much older than us.

[frugal-one]

Meals on Wheels is operated by different agencies in different states. I am well aware of their traditional mission. Some agencies are expanding that during the pandemic. Other groups are as well. You are not interested and don't want to connect with do gooders - your choice, but it does not mean they are not out there.

Everyone does not get to determine their own level of risk. The government is putting in place many mandates. A pastor in my state has been repeatedly fined. Before each service he had ServPro come in to sanitize, congregants sat 6 feet apart and wore masks, etc. It did not matter. Freedom of religion and other rights are being taken away, but not the right to shop or, in Nevada, eat out in a restaurant.

If it were up to you, you would take away more rights. Especially those who you perceive should not be out and about. Hypocrisy.

[Yppej]

If it were up to you, you would take away more rights. Especially those who you perceive should not be out and about. Hypocrisy.

I would not make it mandatory for seniors to stay home. I would not fine them $300 the way people who practice their religion or who don't wear a mask are being fined. But I would strongly suggest it and I would set up delivery services to support it. I would as in Texas let them stay home and still collect unemployment insurance if called back to work. I would not crash the economy and take away other people"s rights if seniors choose to leave home. I believe in the right to die including assisted suicide. If seniors choose to recklessly risk exposure and die let them but don't turn our society upside down to protect them.