2020 Presidential Candidates

[jp1]

Are you implying that the US Military has been activated against citizens?

Considering that the goons aren’t wearing their actual uniforms, who knows.

[Yppej]

The US military absolutely has been activated against US citizens. It started when George Washington himself rode out with troops to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion.

[bae]

The federal military is not meant to be used against our own citizens but as a national defense. As you indicated, that is why we've never been invaded.

War of 1812
Brownsville, Texas (1846)
Bandit War, Texas (1915)
Battle of Columbus, NM (1916)

[frugal-one]

Considering that the goons aren’t wearing their actual uniforms, who knows.

This a valid point but do see the Insurrection Act of 1807 is being used in this case. I, obviously, do not agree and believe trump is abusing his authority. By his own admission, he is targeting states that have Democratic governors and using federal agents that are not summoned by the state or trained in he situation he is placing them in. The premise is that they are protecting federal buildings. This does not hold true for the states that trump is now stating he will send more goons.

Thanks ... I learned a lot.

[frugal-one]

[QUOTE=Alan;358843]Are you implying that the US Military has been activated against citizens?

Looks that way.

The United States Armed Forces[10] are the military forces of the United States. It consists of the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Space Force, and Coast Guard.[11][12] The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces and forms military policy with the Department of Defense (DoD) and Department of Homeland Security (DHS), both federal executive departments, acting as the principal organs by which military policy is carried out

[Alan]

I do not have police background ...

I was a sworn federal agent.

I was in law enforcement.

One of these things is not like the other, what exactly were you? I'm trying to imagine a sworn federal agent working in law enforcement without a police background. I'm guessing something like an Securities & Exchange Investigator or maybe an IRS auditor, or perhaps a US Postal Inspector, some role that separated you from the "goons" and yet somehow gave you insight into their training while simultaneously shielding you from knowledge that multiple federal agencies employ officers with police powers and commissions. Am I getting warm?

Of course you don't have to answer, I'm just curious.

[Alan]

Are you implying that the US Military has been activated against citizens?

Looks that way.

The United States Armed Forces[10] are the military forces of the United States. It consists of the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Space Force, and Coast Guard.[11][12] The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces and forms military policy with the Department of Defense (DoD) and Department of Homeland Security (DHS), both federal executive departments, acting as the principal organs by which military policy is carried out

That's quite a stretch. Do you think there are active duty military personnel or units providing protection services in Portland, or any other US city right now or will be soon?

[jp1]

It is fascinating to me how quickly some people are supportive of the president when if you ask them about dead kids in school situations they shout ‘BUTTHE SECOND AMENDMENT!!!’ But now we ask legit questions about current federal authority they quickly default to ‘we need to keep control’. The disconnect is kind of sad and pathetic. But not surprising.

[LDAHL]

It is fascinating to me how quickly some people are supportive of the president when if you ask them about dead kids in school situations they shout ‘BUTTHE SECOND AMENDMENT!!!’ But now we ask legit questions about current federal authority they quickly default to ‘we need to keep control’. The disconnect is kind of sad and pathetic. But not surprising.

I don’t think it’s necessarily true that everyone who supports the Bill of Rights also supports the President. Or that the two issues are connected at all.

I think there are a lot of ridiculous assertions being made right now by people pushing various narratives.

I think the “legit” questions to be asked are whether the President has the legal authority to deploy federal agents to these locations and whether the local authorities have willingly or unwillingly failed to maintain order to the extent that federal intervention is called for. I suppose that we could also ask the question of the extent to which federal agents should go to protect federal facilities. I think those questions will ultimately decided by the courts or at the ballot box; not by anonymous people insulting each other on the internet.

[LDAHL]

I'm not calling myself a journalist.
Also, the NYT article backs up what I've written.

I well remember their front page musings on whether objectivity should be dispensed with where Trump was concerned.