Getting the vaccine??

[early morning]

I had hand sanitizer way before Covid - usually in my bag in the car - and have no plans to get rid of my supply. Along with rags, it was really handy to have. There are plenty of places we go that don't have access to soap/water for "decontamination" purposes, and I'm a hopelessly tactile person. I can't resist petting a critter, or picking up rocks, shells, leaves, odd objects and such. Not to mention yard sales, flea markets, and places with outdoor privys. And I don't care for wet-wipes, most of them smell worse that what I'm trying to remove. Of course YMMV!

Couldn't you use it to sanitize counter tops/cutting boards etc before washing, if you were prepping raw meats or something?

And I'm getting my second dose of vaccine this afternoon!!

[Rogar]

Couldn't you use it to sanitize counter tops/cutting boards etc before washing, if you were prepping raw meats or something?

I've never owned hand sanitizer before and never felt a need. I use dish detergent or hand soap for counters which is both a detergent and sanitizer and don't buy meat. Something to think about. Maybe not a bad idea to keep a bottle around for next cold and flu season?

[jp1]

Was able to book an appointment for tomorrow at the Oakland Colliseum. Getting the J&J vaccine. Won't have to drive all the way to Stockton now.

[early morning]

Good you could save the trip, jp1! DH got the J&J with no problems. I wasn't able to get that one. Rogar, hand sanitizer is great when you sneeze/must use tissue in public and can't wash right away.

[JaneV2.0]

Trump could have done much more to encourage his followers to get the vaccine. The only good thing that came out of this whole debacle is that he is out before he could do more damage to our country. No other president has been a enemy and traitor to our country. I am still hoping he is charged and convicted of his crimes. Don’t bother to ask what crimes because if you don’t know then there’s no point in discussing.

He admitted he had been vaccinated after Dr. Fauci publicly suggested he should come out and recommend it for others. He downplayed the seriousness of COVID even as he himself was recovering, mocked mask wearers, advocated wacky treatments, played off states against each other, had no coherent national plan--we had the most deadly, incompetent response possible. To give Trump any credit at all is just incredible.

[Yppej]

He admitted he had been vaccinated after Dr. Fauci publicly suggested he should come out and recommend it for others. He downplayed the seriousness of COVID even as he himself was recovering, mocked mask wearers, advocated wacky treatments, played off states against each other, had no coherent national plan--we had the most deadly, incompetent response possible. To give Trump any credit at all is just incredible.

A vaccine has never been developed this quickly. Trying to deny Trump any credit will do nothing to increase the number of his followers willing to be vaccinated.

[bae]

A vaccine has never been developed this quickly. Trying to deny Trump any credit will do nothing to increase the number of his followers willing to be vaccinated.

How many hours did Trump spend in the lab? How much mRNA research did he participate in over the past few decades, technology which allowed the vaccine to be developed, much like a software patch, in *a single day*?

What, precisely, did he do to speed up the vaccine R&D/production/distribution? How does that compare to the efforts of other world leaders?

Yes, he did some things, I'd rate his efforts as "poor", and the successes that occurred were perhaps in spite of his efforts. Accidental at best, and he probably held things back more than he speeded things up.

[JaneV2.0]

I'm pretty sure a targeted vaccine was in the pipeline even before he came out with his "Warp Speed" shtick; it may have released some monies to further its development. He only did what he had to do, but--as usual--took full credit.

[ApatheticNoMore]

He signed the Cares Act (so would have Biden or Hillary Clinton), which gave operation warp speed 10 billion in government money and then the Trump administration reallocated ANOTHER 8 billion away from public health programs, including PPE, into Operation Warp Speed, and that wasn't congress, that was the Trump admin (but maybe not Trump himself - anyway a good manager allocates, not that I consider Trump a particularly good manager but the bureaucracy that is the Fed gov maybe still works well sometimes when it wants to). So they bet big on a vaccine even at the cost of measures handling the pandemic in the meantime, for better or worse. Put it all on red. An America first approach, which operation warp speed always was and was criticized for being, seems to have netted the U.S. far more vaccines than much of the world, despite the fact the Pfizer one was a partnership with a German company using German government money, and the Johnson and Johnson one wasn't developed in the U.S. either but was funded in part by the U.S. government.

Brazil is an example of government by a right wing strongman that did absolutely nothing right, we were close there and much was done wrong (but much was not just Trump but structural issues of a dysfunctional government, we were never going to give people money to stay home, or fund the states to enable long term lockdowns via Mitch's Senate - there is no alternate Hillary admin in which that happens but short of stopping the virus very early and shutting down to travel, which wasn't going to happen either, that's how you slow the virus). But the vaccine stuff did pay off bigly.

I'm pretty sure a targeted vaccine was in the pipeline even before he came out with his "Warp Speed" shtick; it may have released some monies to further its development. He only did what he had to do, but--as usual--took full credit.

8 billion

It worked including aggressively procuring vaccines, still rather have the Biden admin (rather than Trump) managing the rollout, and what do you know we do.

[frugal-one]

Trump directed the development of the vaccine at warp speed. He got it himself when his age group was eligible (not beforehand as he already had covid and had natural immunity). On March 17th he told people to get the vaccine. The only other thing I think could be done to encourage his supporters would be to rename it the Trump Vaccine. Do you think Joe Biden would allow this name if it would save lives? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Too little too late. trump's legacy will be the number of people he killed with his lunacy of not listening to science or wearing a mask.