Critical race theory

[JaneV2.0]

Yeah--that Jesus one was brutal!

[LDAHL]

I was ten when King was killed. I remember it well because my grandfather was a Chicago fireman who was stabbed during the ensuing riots. His stiff coat prevented serious injury, and he and a colleague beat his assailant senseless with their axes and left him bleeding in the street. It was a different time.

Growing up in Illinois, we heard about Lincoln and his murder early and often. Growing up Catholic, we couldn’t help but notice the gruesome art and statuary and drew the appropriate conclusions at a very young age.

I can’t remember at what age I learned just because people sometimes abused a right it would be ridiculous to assume that no one should have the right.

[Rogar]

I didn't learn of the Sand Creek until doing a writing assignment about it in college. I was a full fledged adult before learning of the Japanese interment camps, even though a couple were reasonably close. And maybe I'd forgotten, but only recently learned the detail of the Tulsa massacre. Then again, I've read of the depredations and tortures of early white settlers by some native Americans outside of schooling. I was pretty up on the Chicago 7 (or 8) trial with out any help from the educational system and the murder of the Kent State students by the National Guard. Maybe some of that was just a little too traumatic for our young minds back in the day.

[iris lilies]

I don't know; she brought it up and asked me if I knew who Harvey Milk was and I said to my son, "not the Harvey Milk " and he said, "Yeah," and I said, "Yes, I had heard of him," and started talking about the sewing project I had brought to show her, since I really didn't want to go there, I was so shocked that they were telling these babies about someone being murdered, and worse, a hero being murdered. It was the violence that shocked me; these are really young children and back when I was a child, or raising children, you tried to protect them against certain things.

I think talking to children about brutal violence against others is really terrifying, and not an appropriate subject for kindergarten.

I can’t imagine that Harvey Milk was brought up as an example of anything other than persecution of gay a man in power, threatening to some people. If you take away his gay-ness, he was a white male politician. If the kindergarten teacher wants to talk about white male politicians assassinated while in office, there are many to choose from. I don’t think Harvey Milk would make the cut

That is why I mentioned gender and sex and etc.

I think the kindergarten teacher, assuming she really did have a formal lesson of some kind around Harvey Milk’s assassination, made a mistake on several fronts and yes certainly assassination is a violent thing little kids don’t need to be talking about in class.

[bae]

I'd love to see some very specific examples of the troubling curriculum being presented in our public schools. I spent much of the pandemic helping daily with a 4th grade public school class, in a dual-language program school, in a very "woke" district, and I didn't really see anything worth yammering about(*) on FoxNews or CNN.

(*) Other than my observation that teachers are dreadfully underpaid for what they are expected to do.

[bae]

I can’t imagine that Harvey Milk was brought up as an example of anything other than persecution of gay a man in power, threatening to some people. If you take away his gay-ness, he was a white male politician.

I seem to recall Moscone also being killed that day, and that the killings had nothing much to do with anyone's sexuality. Dan White didn't wake up in the morning, have too many Twinkies, and decide to go gay-hunting.

I also happen to know moderately one of the other people who were on his hit list that day, who I have attended many firearms training classes with... I think the City of SF had 8 concealed carry permits issued at the time, and several of those permits belonged to other Supervisors. Some of whom went on to become gun rights supporters, some went the other direction...

[iris lilies]

I seem to recall Moscone also being killed that day, and that the killings had nothing much to do with anyone's sexuality. Dan White didn't wake up in the morning, have too many Twinkies, and decide to go gay-hunting.

I also happen to know moderately one of the other people who were on his hit list that day, who I have attended many firearms training classes with... I think the City of SF had 8 concealed carry permits issued at the time, and several of those permits belonged to other Supervisors. Some of whom went on to become gun rights supporters, some went the other direction...

Wait—I thought he, Milk, WAS Assassinated because He was prominent in the gay community and was making headway in San Francisco politics.

OK I will accept that I’m wrong, but I am gonna have to look it up.

[Alan]

I seem to recall Moscone also being killed that day, and that the killings had nothing much to do with anyone's sexuality.

I believe that's correct, although Harvey Milk's sexuality does come into play when nearly 45 years later he's still being martyred. No one would remember him if he were straight.

[jp1]

Perhaps people would remember Moscone better if he had something named after him. Like a ginormous convention center or something.

[LDAHL]

From that case, I remember hearing about the “Twinkie Defense”.