I'm sure there are cases, but I'm not sure I ever met anyone who came to this country to be on welfare. Are there really so many who came here with the thought of not working and/or just to take advantage of various programs?Originally Posted by Spartana
No it's not. Everyone in the United States who is stopped by the police is subject to a check for wants and warrants. Tie that system into a few additional databases and it becomes automatic for everyone. No muss, no fuss, no profiling.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Spartana,
do those net cost figures include the Social Security monies paid and never collected?
http://www.globalaging.org/pension/u...05/illegal.htm
The summary of everything I've read says that there is a net cost to the individual border states like Calif and Arizona, but there is a net gain at the federal level of billions of dollars collected and never disbursed. One idea was for the Federal Gov't to use the monies in the Social Security Suspense File (the account where money goes when names and social security numbers don't match up) and give it to the border states to pay for the extra costs of the undocumented. If you do that, it's about a wash, financially.
Alan you obviously have never been subjected to "the man"? What I mean by that is during the 60's and 70's it was quite common to be stopped as a lily white person simply because you had long hair, were driving a hippie van, or just not the typical WASP. Although I grew up in the South and saw on a regular basis the harassment, discrimination, and bigotry, I never fully appreciated it until I return from Vietnam, grew long hair, and began to enjoy the free spirit on the day.
And you wonder why most people people of color would not agree with racial or ethnic profiling? Get your butt kicked by some redneck cop simply because of the way you looked or thought. Watch the cops ignore those that looked like them and then harass those that were students or someone with greater than 8th grade mentality.
No - the idea of allowing the cops to stop and check someone based simply upon there looks is bean dip dumb.
Peace
But they can do that already Alan. When ever the police stop you. legitimately, they can run you and your car and anyone else in your car through the data base. I think the real fear here is, police will feel free to stop anyone, anyone who they 'suspect' of being illegal and demand their papers. Again, what defines suspicion? The color of their skin? Can the police stop you because you are brown and speaking Spanish so they just demand your papers? If you run a red light, they can stop you. But if you and your family are simply driving down the street can they stop you because you 'look' illegal? That is the slippery slope. The police don't need special permission to do their job as already defined any more than a special level of 'badness' needs to be added to a crime because they 'hated' the guy they murdered.
Of course, there's a difference between being stopped based upon looks and being stopped for some other reason and adding immigration status to the normal identity check process. You may remember that was a major point in the Arizona law, it specifically prohibited racial or ethnic profiling.
And, I spent a significant part of my life being "the man", so I've got a pretty good idea of what being "subjected" to me means.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
No they can't. They don't have access to a database detailing legal resident status. Your fear that police will simply stop anyone and "demand their papers" is unfounded.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Or get serious about making it difficult or impossible to get employed here if you're here illegally? If the government believes they'll be able to track down and fine people who don't sign up for health insurance, surely identifying illegal immigrants should be feasible.
Fraud is a crime. How can someone live and work in a country for many years without committing fraud?
There are many cost-effective measures that could be taken. Make E-verify mandatory for employers, for instance.
So its really just a minor paperwork thing? Such legal pettifoggery shouldn't apply to the nice people you know? Which other laws should be optional?
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