Conavirus......

[pinkytoe]

I think a lot of people would mask and get the vaccine if they personally knew someone close who either suffered or passed away from Covid. Anecdotal stories on the news don't make the same impression.

[jp1]

I thought today of an illustration of the point I have been trying to make about immunocompromised people and covid.

Think back to the AIDS epidemic. A person would have AIDS and die of pneumonia. But really it was AIDS that killed them. If pneumonia didn't get them (see I am using the gender neutral plural as a singular again - you can teach an old dog new tricks), something like Kaposi's sarcoma would. In either case the real cause of death was AIDS.

Similarly today an immunocompromised person can die "of covid", but if not covid the seasonal flu or something else would have done them in. The underlying condition is the real cause of death.

If someone is 95 did covid kill them or did they of old age? If their immunity is so weak due to chemo, isn't their death really cancer related?

While this is an apt analogy as far as it goes it ignores one CRITICAL difference between HIV and Covid. In order to get infected with HIV one had to have sex with the other infected person. All of us gay men who were having sex back then knew the risk and as a result it was normal behavior to ask "You negative? You play safe?" and then decide what to do from there. Yes there were cases like Kimberly Bergalis that caught it from her chitty dentist and blood transfusion patients before reliable HIV blood tests came into existence, but by and large the people dying of kaposi's sarcoma and all the other horrible infections that killed HIV patients caught HIV by having sex with infected people. They made a conscious decision to risk contracting a fatal illness. Contrast that with the person who gets covid when they go to the grocery store and spend a few minutes in line behind a contagious covid carrier or working the register when a covid carrier comes through their line, or when their relative/friend/neighbor brings them groceries and covid, and the comparison breaks down.

[Teacher Terry]

A good friend of mine died from Covid within 3 days. He made the horrible mistake of grocery shopping. He wouldn’t let his wife go because he was faster. She actually should have went instead because her health was better. He liked to spoil and take care of her. They were so very careful. Much different than having unprotected sex.

[Yppej]

Grocery stores offer curbside pickup. Walmart is the largest grocer in the US and they offer it. 90% of Americans live within 10 miles of a Walmart.

If someone is so seriously ill they will die from a respiratory infection despite getting a vaccine that renders the disease asymptomatic in a healthy person then they should protect themselves instead of making everyone else alter their behavior forever. I say forever because covid will at most go dormant. It will not go away.

[Yppej]

A good friend of mine died from Covid within 3 days. He made the horrible mistake of grocery shopping. He wouldn’t let his wife go because he was faster. She actually should have went instead because her health was better. He liked to spoil and take care of her. They were so very careful. Much different than having unprotected sex.

Was he fully vaccinated?

[sweetana3]

Triage is when "who can survive" is used to treat patients in a mass casualty event. We might get to that point and vaccination used as the cut off. Legitimate discussion. Who comes in first does not work.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola...cj4lmx5pZiybSs

[flowerseverywhere]

Triage is when "who can survive" is used to treat patients in a mass casualty event. We might get to that point and vaccination used as the cut off. Legitimate discussion. Who comes in first does not work.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola...cj4lmx5pZiybSs

here in Florida ICU’s are 93% full. The lines for testing snake around pharmacies and urgent cares. Nearest hospital to me is 100% full. A friend hurt her back and went to urgent care yesterday afternoon. She was told to go to the back of the line whether or not she was there for a Covid test. when she finally checked in they would call her when it was her turn to be seen and to wait in her car or somewhere outside. She was called to enter the building almost two hours later. Who knows when she would have actually been seen. By that time she had called her MD office who had directed her there and they told her they would see her at the end of the day they had so many patients. At 6 pm she was finally seen, x-rayed and given flexeral and a follow up appt in a few days. They normally close at 5 and there were several patients left in the waiting room.

how many important things will be missed due to this Governor and the policies his Greed over People stance have caused. No masks, everyone wide open, tourists please come because even though young people are sick and dying, he does not care. Because people still have strokes, auto accidents, cardiac events, falls and cancers. Medical personnel can only do so much, from EMT’s, nurses, physicians, lab techs, radiologists etc. what choices will be made, and how many excess non Covid people will die?

and by the way, when I worked as a nurse we used to participate in disaster drills. Making the decision who to prioritize when you are totally overwhelmed is a grim task indeed. A small error in judgement or missing a small detail can lead to death.

[flowerseverywhere]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/26/us/co...ent/index.html

cancer patient turned away.

[Chicken lady]

Pinkytoe,

one of my kids works in a very macho/deep red leaning industry. Mask compliance was poor and loudly derided, vaccination stats were low. Now one of her coworkers - a “big, healthy young guy” is in the hospital. The company has reinstated the mask requirement and people are complying. Her boss - who was a big complainer, is not only wearing his mask constantly and correctly, he’s encouraging everyone to get vaccinated because “I don’t want another member of my team out with this!” She is hoping the sick coworker comes back and tells everybody how bad his hospital bills were.

so - silver lining? - a lot more people are going to “know a guy” in the next couple of months.

[jp1]

Grocery stores offer curbside pickup. Walmart is the largest grocer in the US and they offer it. 90% of Americans live within 10 miles of a Walmart.

If someone is so seriously ill they will die from a respiratory infection despite getting a vaccine that renders the disease asymptomatic in a healthy person then they should protect themselves instead of making everyone else alter their behavior forever. I say forever because covid will at most go dormant. It will not go away.

Glad to see that your empathy level has moved up from ‘old people are worthless and will die anyway’ to ‘old and frail people can just stay home for the rest of their miserable lives. They can order groceries online so what’s the problem???’