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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Fauci has said that his death threats and threats of violence have increased since RFK Jr.'s book. I suspect there is an element among RFK Jr.'s subscribers and Fox that extends into, and fuels the anti science movement. And not to mention threats to other health officials.

    I understand many of RFK Jr's family are distancing themselves from him due to his anti science stance. He's not just anti Fauci but also your basic overall anti-vaxxer.
    Fauci has been threatened. By contrast, the president of Haiti actually was assassinated by people who didn't like that he would not kowtow to the global world order. Some see a connection to his opposition to covid vaccines.

    ETA: The growing disgust with Fauci could also be the result of increasing coverage of his lies about having funded the engineering of a virus that has killed millions worldwide by funding gain of function studies in a Wuhan lab that didn't have proper safety protocols to prevent the virus from spreading into the community. I know many Republicans have brought this up including physicians like Rand Paul and Dr. Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    The jury is in on the best approach to covid:

    US deaths per million - 2,418.09

    Sweden deaths per million - 1,476.94
    Dr. Yppej, as usual, uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp posts — for support rather than illumination. I would fail them from any data analysis course I've ever taught.

    But, if one wants to cherry pick, without any context or delving into sample differences, hey:

    Deaths per million:

    San Juan County, WA 0
    Vermont 729
    Hawaii 757
    Maine 1088
    Utah 1166
    Alaska 1251
    Washington 1283
    Oregon 1318
    New Hampshire 1347
    Mississippi 3490

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    I know many Republicans have brought this up including physicians like Rand Paul and Dr. Oz.
    Ah, the leaders in medicals fields. Rand Paul doesn't even deserve comment. He's just a politician.

    A study by the British Medical Journal in 2014 concluded that less than half the claims made on The Dr. Oz Show were backed by "some" evidence, and that fell to a third when the threshold was raised to "believable" evidence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    ETA: The growing disgust with Fauci could also be the result of increasing coverage of his lies about having funded the engineering of a virus that has killed millions worldwide by funding gain of function studies in a Wuhan lab that didn't have proper safety protocols to prevent the virus from spreading into the community. I know many Republicans have brought this up including physicians like Rand Paul and Dr. Oz.
    Right out of the nutty right-wing blogosphere, brought to us by Yppej yet again.

    Taking bets on how long it takes for the Mengele comparison to make it through those neurons into the keyboard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Ah, the leaders in medicals fields. Rand Paul doesn't even deserve comment. He's just a politician.

    A study by the British Medical Journal in 2014 concluded that less than half the claims made on The Dr. Oz Show were backed by "some" evidence, and that fell to a third when the threshold was raised to "believable" evidence.


    Rand is the only politician I give money to. But his clear grandstanding for political points in the
    whole “gain of function” debate did not endear him to me. Gain of function is a very technical concept and I accept that some scientists think it was not in play in Wuhan in the case of
    covid. I don’t really care about “ gain of function” and who is right in that debate.

    What that whole debate brought up to me was, the United States is actively involved in funding research in China. HUNH?

    US taxpayers are funding viral research in China? WHAT?

    We’re participating in that particular Wuhan lab research. HUNH?

    umm, Well how about that. Like, Maybe we should reevaluate all of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    What that whole debate brought up to me was, the United States is actively involved in funding research in China. HUNH?

    US taxpayers are funding viral research in China? WHAT?

    We’re participating in that particular Wuhan lab research. HUNH?

    umm, Well how about that. Like, Maybe we should reevaluate all of that.
    BBC's reality check.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/57932699

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Dr. Yppej, as usual, uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp posts — for support rather than illumination. I would fail them from any data analysis course I've ever taught.

    But, if one wants to cherry pick, without any context or delving into sample differences, hey:

    Deaths per million:

    San Juan County, WA 0
    Vermont 729
    Hawaii 757
    Maine 1088
    Utah 1166
    Alaska 1251
    Washington 1283
    Oregon 1318
    New Hampshire 1347
    Mississippi 3490
    Mississippi has the highest rate of obesity in the nation. Research shows that covid-19 stores itself in fat cells and attacks surrounding tissues. That is why obese people are disproportionately affected by it.

    Advanced age also correlates to bad outcomes. Utah and Alaska have very young populations compared to the rest of the country.

    There are many factors in covid deaths, but mask wearing does not correlate to deaths.

    Covid death rates by state, greatest to least, N = never had a state mask mandate; Y = did at least some of the time:

    Mississippi - N
    Alabama - N
    New Jersey - Y
    Louisiana - Y
    Arizona - N
    Oklahoma - N
    New York - Y
    Arkansas - Y
    Georgia - N
    Florida - N
    Massachusetts - Y
    West Virginia - Y
    Rhode Island - Y
    South Carolina - N
    Michigan - Y
    South Dakota - N
    Pennsylvania - Y
    Indiana - N
    Montana - N
    Nevada - Y
    North Dakota - N
    New Mexico - Y
    Tennessee - N
    Kentucky - N
    Wyoming - N
    Texas - N
    Missouri - N
    Connecticut - Y

    Do you see the pattern? There isn't one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    Do you see the pattern? There isn't one.
    I see a very clear pattern in your method of "discussion", yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    Do you see the pattern? There isn't one.
    .

    I suspect vaccination rates and possibly social behavior overshadow most everything else, but it's not worth my time to look it up. It's pretty much a given in the pandemic of the unvaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
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    I suspect vaccination rates and possibly social behavior overshadow most everything else, but it's not worth my time to look it up. It's pretty much a given in the pandemic of the unvaccinated.
    Agreed that vaccinations are the solution, not masks. The focus on masks is a distraction.

    One article I read today said that wearing a cloth mask for omicron is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

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