Why NOT to vote Republican

[LDAHL]

We and they. Which are you? It seems to me the people who vote for mega republicans (ie Ron Johnson and their ilk) are the ones who are following the provocateur DJT. The ones who were part of Jan 6th and have been put on trial were not peaceful. They were not entrapped?

I think what I said applies to both sides of the same wingnut: both the Trump cultists and the jihadis who’ve assigned him the role of the Great Satan. They feed off each other and make each other possible, and can’t conceive of how it could be any other way. Some of them provide financial support to the other side just to keep the nonsense going.

I believe there are reasonable third and fourth and fifth ways of thinking, which makes me the enemy to both sides of the same debased coin. It might be because I vote for a Trump guy one side declares anathema because I don’t want the loonies on the left running the country. It might be because I think Trump is unfit for the office of dog catcher.

I can live with that. I just can’t see inhabiting your peculiar mythos.

[frugal-one]

I think what I said applies to both sides of the same wingnut: both the Trump cultists and the jihadis who’ve assigned him the role of the Great Satan. They feed off each other and make each other possible, and can’t conceive of how it could be any other way. Some of them provide financial support to the other side just to keep the nonsense going.

I believe there are reasonable third and fourth and fifth ways of thinking, which makes me the enemy to both sides of the same debased coin. It might be because I vote for a Trump guy one side declares anathema because I don’t want the loonies on the left running the country. It might be because I think Trump is unfit for the office of dog catcher.

I can live with that. I just can’t see inhabiting your peculiar mythos.

You speak out of both sides of your mouth. There is no fourth or fifth ways of thinking if you vote for a "trump guy." You support him or you don't.

[jp1]

You speak out of both sides of your mouth. There is no fourth or fifth ways of thinking if you vote for a "trump guy." You support him or you don't.

There’s also no ‘both sides’ when only one side walked out of the White House with ****ing defense secrets that he has likely been trying to sell to the highest bidder. The levels some folks will go to justify the abhorrent behavior of the leaders of their political party would be laughable if it weren’t so pathetically sad.

[Alan]

There’s also no ‘both sides’ when only one side walked out of the White House with ****ing defense secrets that he has likely been trying to sell to the highest bidder.

Sure there's 'both sides', there's always two sides to every dispute and we're not yet in a place where either one can objectively be determined correct. We still don't know exactly what the FBI was looking for or whether or not they found it. All the classified info talk is not likely to go anywhere since the Supreme Court ruled nearly 40 years ago that Presidents have the ability to classify/declassify information regardless of whatever Congress or any other branch of government may think of it. I think the DOJ will have a difficult time doing anything with this legally, although I'm not at all sure that was their goal.

It's gonna be a real shame if their actions make Trump a viable candidate for 2024. If they do, that's on you guys. And on the other side of that, if their goal is to ensure he's not a viable candidate, then that's real banana republic shit, and that's on you guys too.

[jp1]

Alan, you clearly haven’t been reading what the serious folks have to say about the ‘president can declassify whatever the hell he wants’ concept. But I’m not surprised.

[jp1]

I’m also surprised that you’d be a fan of ‘presidents are so effing far above the law that they can declassify any damn thing they want’. In my mind that would seem to go against the hypothetical ‘republicans are fans of the rule of law’ concept. But maybe I just don’t get the Republican concept of what rule of law means. I’d love to hear your explanation that clarifies. I won’t hold my breath that you or ldahl will offer a meaningful response.

[Rogar]

I listened to a bit of talk radio on a long drive. The program commentator was saying that a man's home is his castle and that none of us can feel safe when the long arm of the government can raid even an former president's home on a whim. That there was no evidence of the FBI finding anything of significance and the descriptions of the documents were vague and not specific. They were playing the fear, anger, and evil government card pretty hard. It made little sense to me, but that's maybe the sort of talk a significant portion of people are buying. Pretty sure it was a Christian station.

I can see the conservatives turning things into a political play rather than a legal issue and gaining some ground.

[jp1]

I can see the conservatives turning things into a political play rather than a legal issue and gaining some ground.

Of course they will. Because that’s the only option they have. TFG likely is guilty of a variety of laws in relation to these documents and since republicans simply aren’t ever going to turn on him they have to come up with some sort of political explanation why they are no longer the ‘law and order’ party. It will be laughably parthetic to any rational person but it’s all they can do in this case because admitting that trump is a lying f$ck who broke the law and significantly compromised national security is simply not something they are capable of doing.

[frugal-one]

Sure there's 'both sides', there's always two sides to every dispute and we're not yet in a place where either one can objectively be determined correct. We still don't know exactly what the FBI was looking for or whether or not they found it. All the classified info talk is not likely to go anywhere since the Supreme Court ruled nearly 40 years ago that Presidents have the ability to classify/declassify information regardless of whatever Congress or any other branch of government may think of it. I think the DOJ will have a difficult time doing anything with this legally, although I'm not at all sure that was their goal.

It's gonna be a real shame if their actions make Trump a viable candidate for 2024. If they do, that's on you guys. And on the other side of that, if their goal is to ensure he's not a viable candidate, then that's real banana republic shit, and that's on you guys too.

Another who speaks out of both sides of their mouth. The onerous is truly on you..…who voted for the scumbag in the first place!!!

Also, where is the documentation that the list of classified items retrieved were, in fact, declassified?

[LDAHL]

You speak out of both sides of your mouth. There is no fourth or fifth ways of thinking if you vote for a "trump guy." You support him or you don't.

I rest my case.