Why NOT to vote Republican

[Alan]

Should we not be demonizing people who want to overturn elections when they don't turn out as one would like? Because frankly, in my opinion those shitbags and their elected enablers need to be ****ing demonized to hell and back.

But maybe it depends on who's doing it?

[jp1]

Out Trumping Trump is not a winning formula for America. Makes me sad.

Please tell us, specifically, what part of the speech was out-trumping trump. All Biden did was call out the MAGAs for their unamerican desire to deny the results of free and fair elections and the rule of law. How exactly is that bad?

Since you didn't even bother watching it before deciding to bash it I'll even be helpful and provide a link to the full text.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/u...ranscript.html

[jp1]

But maybe it depends on who's doing it?

Tell me about how democrats then worked with lawyers to come up with a BS plan to overturn the election, get fraudulent slates of fake electors in place, made phone calls to secretaries of state in states where she lost to try to force them into "finding" additional votes, and then incited a mob to storm the capital, shouting "Hang Joe Biden" and attempting to prevent the counting of the electoral college votes. And then when all that failed to overthrow the election, working to get candidates in place across the country for positions responsible for managing elections such as state secretary of state who agree with the strategy of overturning elections when they don't like the results.

What's that, you say? Democrats didn't do any of that? Makes it seem like your attempt at both siderism miserably failed.

[Alan]

Tell me about how democrats then worked with lawyers to come up with a BS plan to overturn the election,

Other than the entire Democratic caucus in the House and Senate spending 4 years conducting investigations and impeachment hearings without tangible result, and Democratic congresspersons attempting to void electors they didn't like in various states, you're right, democrats didn't do those things.

[iris lilies]

Please tell us, specifically, what part of the speech was out-trumping trump. All Biden did was call out the MAGAs for their unamerican desire to deny the results of free and fair elections and the rule of law. How exactly is that bad?

Since you didn't even bother watching it before deciding to bash it I'll even be helpful and provide a link to the full text.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/u...ranscript.html

“Geez JP” Iris said in an exasperated tone, “I am capable of finding the speech on YouTube in multiple places.”


I was responding mainly to Roger’s characterization of it. I do plan to watch it at some point. Do ya think I will like it?

[frugal-one]

Considering how much of his legislative agenda has been passed it's pretty obvious that a) he's not sleepy (which isn't surprising since it's republicans that are pro-sleepy/anti-woke) and b) he's a force to be reckoned with.

It also doesn't hurt him that the only people who particularly like the republican anti-democracy agenda are die hard trump supporters and a few other diehard republicans who falsely believe that the party is somehow going to one day shed MAGA and go back to being just pro-rich people.

Sadly, this seems to be true.

IL--- the point of his speech, I believe, was to enlighten people of the danger trump and his "followers" pose to democracy. That is, conspiracy theories, mob violence, trying to make it hard to vote and continue the "fake news" rhetoric if it does not suit them. These are some of the things that Hitler did in Germany and people were taken unaware.

[frugal-one]

Out Trumping Trump is not a winning formula for America. Makes me sad.

Is that possible? He is the ultimate shitbag, as jp1 would say.

[Alan]

These are some of the things that Hitler did in Germany and people were taken unaware.

That's why it's important to acknowledge that if Biden had replaced 'MAGA' with 'Jew' in his speech, their speeches would have been mostly indistinguishable.

[JaneV2.0]

Other than the entire Democratic caucus in the House and Senate spending 4 years conducting investigations and impeachment hearings without tangible result, and Democratic congresspersons attempting to void electors they didn't like in various states, you're right, democrats didn't do those things.

Of course there was little tangible result (aside from all those Trump cronies and appointees who were convicted) with Republicans stonewalling every attempt to get at the truth. History will show the depths of Trump's criminality. As he himself would say "We've never seen anything like it!" He really has raised the bar for future wannabe strongmen.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/polit...tes/index.html

[frugal-one]

That's why it's important to acknowledge that if Biden had replaced 'MAGA' with 'Jew' in his speech, their speeches would have been mostly indistinguishable.

BS... The Jews did not try to overturn the government, the mega republicans did. See #616 and #619 for more.