LGBT rights in the USA today...

[frugal-one]

Are we truly in a period of peak LGBT hatred compared to twenty or fifty years ago, or are we just magnifying every marginal wingnut through the internet funhouse mirror? Is the average American of 2022 less tolerant of sexual outliers than the average American of 1972?

Violence against the innocent is wrong, but this whole theory of hatred absorbed from the cultural ether also strikes me as wrong. There is no person or organization I trust to determine what expression is too dangerous to allow.

In all kinds of situations? I am not sure. Remember Archie Bunker?

[catherine]

I think the difference between 1972 and 2022 is the fact that some marginalized populations have finally found their voice. It hasn't been "hatred" from the cultural ether that has suppressed certain groups, but just the societal expectation that everyone should be and act in accordance to the rules of the dominant culture (read: white, cis male). DH is continually pining about how he wishes we could go back to the 50s. Well, in the 50s, blacks couldn't sit among whites in restaurants, or even go to the same rest rooms. Women couldn't get a job because if they did, that would be one less job available for a man.Post-divorce, DH's mother felt she could rise no higher than a clerk in Macy's, despite her incredble aptitude. Forget the LGBTQ+ community--they just kept that closet door shut tight due to retribution from society.

So, now, in 2022, the dominant culture of 1972 is simply reaping what is has sown. I don't think any of these marginalized groups are seeking dominance or revenge--just fairness and equality.

[flowerseverywhere]

Are we truly in a period of peak LGBT hatred compared to twenty or fifty years ago, or are we just magnifying every marginal wingnut through the internet funhouse mirror? Is the average American of 2022 less tolerant of sexual outliers than the average American of 1972?

Violence against the innocent is wrong, but this whole theory of hatred absorbed from the cultural ether also strikes me as wrong. There is no person or organization I trust to determine what expression is too dangerous to allow.

you were lucky if you were never teased or beat up if you were a “sissy”.

even the Jingles.
hot dogs, armour hot dogs
all kinds of kids eat armour hot dogs
fat kids, skinny kids, kids who climb out n rocks
tough kids, sissy kids
even kids with chicken pox”

remember Matthew Shephatd in 1998 who was beaten, tortured and left to die for being gay?

of course we should all be less tolerant of these things. What kind of society are we if we tolerate hate, name calling. No wonder why young people are leaving churches in droves.

and Vicki Hatzler, who cried in Congress about same sex marriage. She has a nephew who was sent to conversion camp and if not for COVID and remote learning where he had no visibly of his sexual status would have been expelled from Christian College. He was on the verge of expulsion before then. It’s ugly out there.

[iris lilies]

Ah, how fondly I remember the good old days when pointing out a crying woman in Congress would have been labeled misogynistic and Gloria Steinem would have had a thing or two to say about it. I miss my 2nd wave (or is it 3rd wave?) Feminist icons.

[iris lilies]

I think the difference between 1972 and 2022 is the fact that some marginalized populations have finally found their voice. It hasn't been "hatred" from the cultural ether that has suppressed certain groups, but just the societal expectation that everyone should be and act in accordance to the rules of the dominant culture (read: white, cis male). DH is continually pining about how he wishes we could go back to the 50s. Well, in the 50s, blacks couldn't sit among whites in restaurants, or even go to the same rest rooms. Women couldn't get a job because if they did, that would be one less job available for a man.Post-divorce, DH's mother felt she could rise no higher than a clerk in Macy's, despite her incredble aptitude. Forget the LGBTQ+ community--they just kept that closet door shut tight due to retribution from society.

So, now, in 2022, the dominant culture of 1972 is simply reaping what is has sown. I don't think any of these marginalized groups are seeking dominance or revenge--just fairness and equality.

This is a reasonable review of where we are now. Thanks. It seems to me that jockeying for a voice in society as these formerly marginalized groups are doing DOES bring out too much pushback, which in turn seems to cause them to be…Extra.

[littlebittybobby]

Okay----I bemember back in '72, when the local businesses in those littlebitty burgs waaaay up in the middle o' nowhere, all kept pads o' so-called "counter checks", and you could get gas to go driving around or groceries or whatever(beer), and request the counter checks from the cashier, and write one to pay and even for a little extra. Y'had ta fill in your accouint number o' course. But yeah---there was a short list o' people taped to the register whose checks were not acceptable. But by the end of the 70's, as the lists became longer, counter checks pretty much went the way o' the 45 rpm record. Yep. Hope that helps you recall the good ol; days. Thankk mee.

[iris lilies]

Related:

https://juliaserano.medium.com/anti-...d-a511a93b042f

I skimmed this article and can see the author may have a point about groups of teenage girls transitioning in a clump. It may not be “social contagion “ that causes this, it may be as the author suggests a lifting of stigma and girls with this interest band together.

But who really knows. Is there social science research so robust, so irrefutable in this area that it proves anything? I don’t think so.

I may come back and spend more time with this article because the author seems to mis-characterizes one part of the research she links but I need to spend more time with the links before I conclude for sure.

[JaneV2.0]

Ah, how fondly I remember the good old days when pointing out a crying woman in Congress would have been labeled misogynistic and Gloria Steinem would have had a thing or two to say about it. I miss my 2nd wave (or is it 3rd wave?) Feminist icons.

My take: Hartzler's crying was fake, and her "concern" was a grab for airtime. I saw her nephew interviewed, and I'm glad he's gotten beyond a rough start.

[pinkytoe]

And then when I am having shower thoughts...perhaps gender really is morphing in many species due to our polluted environment.

[LDAHL]

And then when I am having shower thoughts...perhaps gender really is morphing in many species due to our polluted environment.

Wasn’t it Alex Jones who ranted about chemicals in the water turning the damn frogs gay?