So wtf WAS your argument?Originally Posted by iris lilies
My argument, in case it wasn’t clear, is that shitty people like Abbott and desantis like to inflict harm on the downtrodden to win the votes of sad sack assholes who think the hero of the Christmas story is the innkeeper. From what I can tell your argument seems to be that immigrants are just as much of a drain on society as homeless people are. Am I misunderstanding? If so please clarify where I went askew.
My arguement is that California can’t do a decent job with the unhoused people they have now so I do not believe that they will be able to take in an endless stream of undocumented persons and do a decent job with them either.
A related thought was since there will be lots and lots of unhoused people, California will see increased problems caused by the unhoused (hence my comment about transients.)
But since you, jp, think there is plenty of housing in California for the stream of undocumented workers coming over the southern border, they will not cause the problems that other unhoused people are causing in California. Ok.
I get it. You live in a shitty place where there is no effort to care for people that need help. Now your weird focus on equating the homeless and immigrants as one and the same makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying. Glad I don’t live in a crappy place like you do.
That’s the spirit! It is a shit hole! No one would want to move here!
But surely you can see that the “effort” that your state takes towards people who need help isn’t making an appreciable difference to those living on the street. At least, that is the story mainstream media likes to portray.
IL, California has a big homeless problem as we all know and frankly I no longer want to visit San Francisco because of it. Some of my friends feel differently. My second ex was just here with his wife and they walked probably 5 blocks downtown and said it’s not good for tourists to see so many homeless. One guy was shadow boxing an imaginary opponent so they crossed the street. Our population doubled in a year and is estimated at 2600. Probably more are invisible. I worry about us getting as bad as California.
I don’t really know what the solution is because institutions for people with MI were shit holes and they were abused. From what I have read the cities that tried housing first have limited success. I know someone that worked at the shelter for a while and was threatened by the clients. I am glad that I decided not to buy a condo downtown. I used to feel safe walking to my car alone after meeting my dining group if it was downtown but don’t now.
Judging from how cheap real estate is there our mutual assessment of the desirability of the place is probably accurate.
Its always interesting to me when we take road trips on the back ways through small towns. Mexicans and other southern country immigrants have resettled there and opened little tiendas, cafes and other businesses. I assume they started off as farm workers and are setting up communities that feel like home.
California contains about 12% of the nation’s population and about 22% of the nation’s homeless. Sneering lectures from California on that subject have all the authority of the guy who considers himself to be an expert on marriage because he’s been married six times.
Churches and other organizations take refugees in and help them get on their feet. Apparently, they're in Federal detention unyil that happens--not wandering the streets of California.
https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/sponsor-freedom
I thought you were referencing that program, faith based and other 501 c3 organizations.
You know their capacity is limited and cannot take on the flood of illegal immigrants pushing our borders, right? And that doesn’t even address those illegally here not under the watchful eye of the Feds in “detention.”, right?
And Imma gonna ask, why should they, faith based orgs, take on this huge social problem? No answer needed, just rhetorical.
And how many times have faith based social initiatives been maligned here on this forum let alone across liberal social media land? But when ya’ll want them they are invoked as The Answer.
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