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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    So now classified documents have been found in Pence's house. Geez, wake me up when someone finds a dead body in some politician's closet. Until then, I'm bored already.
    It would have been funnier if he’d gone on “60 Minutes” the week before to scold someone else’s “irresponsibility.”

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    He didn’t say that apparently, but still pretty darn funny…

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1617...-of-Mike-Pence

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    It sort of makes one wonder what these guys may have digitized, put on a flash drive, and stashed somewhere. I guess DC hasn't gone paperless or the politicians are Luddites like me. I suppose there are reasons for paper versions, like the Top Secret stamps in red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    It sort of makes one wonder what these guys may have digitized, put on a flash drive, and stashed somewhere. I guess DC hasn't gone paperless or the politicians are Luddites like me. I suppose there are reasons for paper versions, like the Top Secret stamps in red.
    When I worked with such things, we were not allowed to have our own electronic devices or cameras present when using the material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    When I worked with such things, we were not allowed to have our own electronic devices or cameras present when using the material.
    Point taken. Since they seem to have gotten the documents to their closets from a secure area I can guess opportunities could arise.

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    Still seems strange that trump’s “competition/enemies” both talked about not being irresponsible and now gov docs are found in both their possessions. Is it possible to find something similar or as damaging on DeSantis?

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    Someone I know who has worked for multiple defense contractors and had various levels of security clearance for much of their pre-retirement life commented "apparently elected officials and their staffs don't go through the same training regarding the appropriate handling of confidential documents that I did..." At this point I won't be surprised if over the coming weeks we learn that multiple elected people, both current and past, from both parties are finding documents in their homes.

    The thing I find remarkable is that there doesn't seem to be some sort of overarching document control process for the government to keep track of every copy of any given document. I've never dealt with confidential materials but thinking back to the early years of my employment with my former mega-corp insurance company when they still had paper files for everything any time I needed to send a policy file to another office the whole process was tracked. The file had a barcode on it from the moment it was created and there was a master document system that kept track of that document everywhere it went. If I needed to transfer a policy file to the chicago or new york or whatever office I'd ask the file room to do so, they would scan it out as "in shipment" including the fedex tracking number, then when it arrived in the other office it would get scanned in to their file room, and then scanned out again once it was delivered to the specific underwriter in that office. At any time in the process the document management system knew exactly where the file was. I realize that confidential documents add a level of complexity to this, but 1) it seems even more critical that a system like this exist for confidential documents, and 2) it doesn't seem that difficult to make tracking of confidential documents confidential in itself. They just need names that are random as opposed to "XYZ corporation 2010 policy file" which would've been how I could look up a file's location in mega-corp's file tracking system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Still seems strange that trump’s “competition/enemies” both talked about not being irresponsible and now gov docs are found in both their possessions. Is it possible to find something similar or as damaging on DeSantis?
    Probably not. Like Reagan prior to his unfortunate election to the presidency, he's only a governor. He's probably never seen a confidential document unless it was shown to him by either someone who shouldn't have had it or by someone who should have known better than to show it to him. In other words, not completely impossible, but highly unlikely. And even more unlikely that someone with a confidential document would be dumb enough to let him keep a copy of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    When I worked with such things, we were not allowed to have our own electronic devices or cameras present when using the material.
    Back in the eighties, DoD had electronic security standards (TEMPEST) that everyone had to confirm to. Some rooms you worked in had degaussers built into the doorframes. They were constantly doing emanation security checks because early PC keystrokes had unique signals. Old hardware had to be destroyed by specialists.

    It was a far cry from Mrs. Clinton’s closet server.

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    https://itep.org/fair-tax-plan-would...-from-wealthy/

    meanwhile this national sales tax instead of all federal taxes and IRS would be abolished. I’ve read several articles about it. A big purchase like a car would cost Joe average much more. I don’t see how this would benefit the working middle class at all. If somebody has a different view I’d love to hear an explanation.

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