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    The whole thing just makes it more gruesome! Disgusting....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Well, why should the case of rape be carved out as an exception?
    Everyone knows that rape rarely leads to pregnancy…

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...rape-pregnancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Everyone knows that rape rarely leads to pregnancy…

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...rape-pregnancy
    And if you were following that story, you would jnow that everyone wanted him to resign. Claire-bear was thrilled at this fauxpas, and actually there was some info that she had supported his campaign financially anyway, since he was the easy target to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Well, why should the case of rape be carved out as an exception?
    IMHE, it is because you are dealing with making the rape victim, a victim a second time (kind of like they do in trials), then you may be making them into perps, as while some have/like the kid they have, others look at them as a future rapist, etc.
    Then what about victimizing them as the rapist can sue for custody in multiple states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff View Post
    IMHE, it is because you are dealing with making the rape victim, a victim a second time (kind of like they do in trials), then you may be making them into perps, as while some have/like the kid they have, others look at them as a future rapist, etc.
    Then what about victimizing them as the rapist can sue for custody in multiple states?
    But, if the point is the absolute protection of the rights and life of the baby, why should its origin influence whether it gets to live or die?

    It's not the baby's fault that rape was involved in its conception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    But, if the point is the absolute protection of the rights and life of the baby, why should its origin influence whether it gets to live or die?
    It doesn't suit pro-choice narratives to acknowledge the baby, unless it can be used as a cudgel.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    As my dear departed mother used to say if men got pregnant abortion would be a God given right. She was a religious woman but she understood that men enjoy controlling women and what better way than to control their reproductive rights.

    Women will remain second class citizens until they have the freedom of choice when it comes to their bodies. Men rape women and then walk away with no consequences in many instances. 70% of Americans are for freedom of choice up to 15 weeks pregnant and then after that only based on a medical condition as determined by a doctor. Seems like a decent compromise to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    But, if the point is the absolute protection of the rights and life of the baby, why should its origin influence whether it gets to live or die?

    It's not the baby's fault that rape was involved in its conception.
    Not everyone who will have one will see it that way, nor will the family. Things may be better now then they were (beating the kid with a horse whip), but it doesn't mean the mother or her family will be ready either. (as someone who was still blamed for the actions of their biological grandfather and made to wonder if my uncle really is)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff View Post
    Not everyone who will have one will see it that way, nor will the family. Things may be better now then they were (beating the kid with a horse whip), but it doesn't mean the mother or her family will be ready either. (as someone who was still blamed for the actions of their biological grandfather and made to wonder if my uncle really is)
    That sounds like a problem for the mother and the family.

    But why should that allow the death of the child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    That sounds like a problem for the mother and the family.

    But why should that allow the death of the child?
    In my case, she tried to abort my grandfather twice (the old home remedy methods, before there were safe alternatives). Wouldn't it have been better to prevent, then to deal with the after of them trying to kill the kid after birth?

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