LGBT rights in the USA today...

[Alan]

Ok. Here's a challenge. Pick any of the books that has been banned from a Florida school library (there are plenty to choose from) and tell us why you agree or disagree with the banning. I'm personally curious about James Patterson's "Maximum Ride" series, since he IS my namesake. I'm not familiar with these particular books. If you can explain what is inappropriate for high school students (since the don't say gay law has now been expanded to include everyone up through high school) about the books we could maybe have a conversation.

Ok, I had to do about 5 minutes of research on this one because I hadn't heard of the Maximum Ride series itself or its banning. What I did discover was that it was apparently removed from one elementary school in Florida due to a parent complaint that it was not appropriate for elementary school students as it is apparently marketed for children 12 and above. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with your so called "Don't Say Gay" law, and no high school students in the district were harmed by its removal from a school they haven't attended for at least 3 years.

For the record, I don't have a problem with that.

[jp1]

Ok, I had to do about 5 minutes of research on this one because I hadn't heard of the Maximum Ride series itself or its banning. What I did discover was that it was apparently removed from one elementary school in Florida due to a parent complaint that it was not appropriate for elementary school students as it is apparently marketed for children 12 and above. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with your so called "Don't Say Gay" law, and no high school students in the district were harmed by its removal from a school they haven't attended for at least 3 years.

For the record, I don't have a problem with that.

Apparently you missed my "inappropriate for high school students" suggestion. My namesakes' books weren't just removed from elementary schools. They have been removed from all schools up to high school. Try again.

[iris lilies]

Have either of you actually READ any James Patterson books?


Their literary value is zero. I find them inappropriate to be on planet earth. But he is hugely popular, huge, I’m not surprised his cottage industry is producing books for youth. Ca-Ching.


Once I was forced to listen to an audio book by James Patterson on a car trip, and I couldn’t believe how stupid it was, the author kept repeating known facts in this murder mystery as though the readers all had ADHD and we forgot what he had said 15 pages earlier.

[rosarugosa]

Have either of you actually READ any James Patterson books?


Their literary value is zero. I find them inappropriate to be on planet earth. But he is hugely popular, huge, I’m not surprised his cottage industry is producing books for youth. Ca-Ching.


Once I was forced to listen to an audio book by James Patterson on a car trip, and I couldn’t believe how stupid it was, the author kept repeating known facts in this murder mystery as though the readers all had ADHD and we forgot what he had said 15 pages earlier.

I read one a long time ago, and it was lousy enough that I never read another. I cannot fathom his popularity.

[Alan]

Apparently you missed my "inappropriate for high school students" suggestion. My namesakes' books weren't just removed from elementary schools. They have been removed from all schools up to high school. Try again.

Well, according to this newspaper article https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/20...y/70009140007/, that's not correct.

"Jennifer DeShazo, public information director for the Martin County School District, said Wednesday that Patterson’s "Maximum Ride" series was removed from the district's elementary school libraries after a Feb. 1 reconsideration request.That request, submitted by Stuart resident Julie Marshall, asked that all nine books in the series be removed because she considered them a young-adult series that "does not belong in elementary school libraries," she wrote in her objection form to the school district. She asked for the books to be placed in "upper-level" school libraries.

"Marshall, who filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles, indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series.
She also indicated that the book series has no "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for students."
The books were removed from two elementary schools in Martin County around Feb. 20 and placed in the district’s middle schools, DeShazo said.
"The titles were reconsidered following Florida’s statutorily-prescribed process and moved from elementary libraries to middle school, which is aligned with the recommended reading age of 12+ for the series,” DeShazo said. “(Patterson’s) titles are available to students at the middle school level"

[iris lilies]

Well, according to this newspaper article https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/20...y/70009140007/, that's not correct.

"Jennifer DeShazo, public information director for the Martin County School District, said Wednesday that Patterson’s "Maximum Ride" series was removed from the district's elementary school libraries after a Feb. 1 reconsideration request.That request, submitted by Stuart resident Julie Marshall, asked that all nine books in the series be removed because she considered them a young-adult series that "does not belong in elementary school libraries," she wrote in her objection form to the school district. She asked for the books to be placed in "upper-level" school libraries.

"Marshall, who filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles, indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series.
She also indicated that the book series has no "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for students."
The books were removed from two elementary schools in Martin County around Feb. 20 and placed in the district’s middle schools, DeShazo said.
"The titles were reconsidered following Florida’s statutorily-prescribed process and moved from elementary libraries to middle school, which is aligned with the recommended reading age of 12+ for the series,” DeShazo said. “(Patterson’s) titles are available to students at the middle school level"

Some books are tricky as to placement in youth collections, and when you have a hard boundary such as “elementary school” or “middle school” or “high school” with defined beginning and end ages, some titles may be difficult to put into the right slot.

Why jp, you may remember that your compatriot frugal-one was adamant about removing a book from a public library teen collection for inappropriate sexual content. It happens, even with the most dedicated of the Trump haters.

http://www.simplelivingforum.net/sho...hlight=Picoult

[iris lilies]

Potentially of interest to some:

https://juliaserano.medium.com/gende...n-b4bb8375d797

are there points in this article you especially subscribe to?


I’m reading it and I’m collecting my thoughts about it and you can be assured that I have some thoughts about it. Will post later assuming this paid site doesn’t boot me off.

[JaneV2.0]

And have Republicans--our moral gatekeepers--weighed in on Mardi Gras parades? Surely "Show us your tits!" is an affront to right-thinking people everywhere. Or is it just Pride parades that offend them?

[iris lilies]

And have Republican--our moral gatekeepers--weighed in on Mardi Gras parades? Surely "Show us your tits!" is an affront to right-thinking people everywhere. Or is it just Pride parades that offend them?

That is a good analogy because the beer ‘n tits really do come out for Mardi Gras..

But…it is highly unlikely that the little places that ban Pride parades have Mardi .pGras parades.

[bae]

https://www.wfla.com/news/hillsborou...nti-drag-bill/