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    I wonder if the gay pride parades that continue this year will allow uniformed police officers? Many of them have forbidden that in the past.


    They are inclusive to all— except for some.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    are there points in this article you especially subscribe to?

    I’m reading it and I’m collecting my thoughts about it and you can be assured that I have some thoughts about it. Will post later assuming this paid site doesn’t boot me off.
    i’ve been going down a trans literature rabbit hole and will be reading Julia Serano’s seminal work Whipping Girl. I may or may not report on that.

    As for this article, it is easy to shoot the messenger and I don’t intend that, but I think it’s important to understand that Julia Serrano is a trans person and a trans activist, and she makes her living writing about trans issues. She calls herself a “scientist “but she certainly is not a practicing professional in the mental or physical health community.

    As an aside, I find these days that calling oneself a “scientist” is intended as a discussion limiting label because if I am a scientist, you may not disagree with any of my assertions which, of course,is not at all the scientific method.

    Anyway—-

    The tone of this article is reasonable and she makes a couple good points, mainly that more trans people are coming out in society because it is more acceptable. She references the left hand/right hand analogy. She also strongly asserts that backing off from “affirmative care “is actually no care and it is harmful care. I disagree because careful thoughtful therapy is always appropriate yet transactivists consider that “conversion” therapy. Nonsense.

    I do like the fact that Julia cites several recent studies from the years 2021, 2022, and 2023 but they do, of course bolster her arguments. And she realistically says that those who disagree with her can go out and find Other studies that will bolster THEIR argument.Her recognition of this adds to the reasonableness of her argument.

    It does not mention at all, and this is a major lack, of the co morbidities that many trans youth have. In other words, they have mental illness challenges, autism, etc.

    She cites the old chestnut of suicides for trans folks not supported despite those comorbidities, and studies that give context and elsborate and even conflict with that.

    The. Umber of detransitioners cannot be measured but there are growing communities of them, oroviding support firvezch other that the LGB?t etc community does not provide.

    So yeah, I see this as a well written article from a decided point of view from someone who makes their living promoting a specific point of view about transgender individuals.

    In the rabbit hole I’ve gone down, I encountered the Utah legislator, who is a Republican, who is very pro trans for his state, but in reality, he’s really a libertarian. So, it’s not hard to be a libertarian and want the state to stay out of private matters such as specific health treatments.

    I also watched a video about Dr. Marci Bowers who is probably the leading trans surgeon in the country, and several things came out of that I found interesting which I may expound on further at another time.

    A final thought: my voice to text software writes “trance” instead of “ trans.” Does that mean he/she/they are transphobic since they won’t even use the word?

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    https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/why-marci-matters

    dr. Marci bowers is pro trans surgery having done 2000 vaginaplasties, i.e. bottom surgeries. She played a role in fixing some of Jazz Jennings’surgical problems. She is very well-known in the trans world.

    The article above mentioned some of the problems she sees in current trans medical treatments. I’m not sure you’ll be able to read this sub stack article because it might be behind a pay wall but you can get the gist of it in a couple of paragraphs.

    Lack of orgasmic function is one of the problems coming to light very recently, all due to puberty blockers given at younger ages. That is pretty awful.

    Dr. Bowers and E. Anderson are experiencing quite a lot of pushback and social censure for speaking to Abigail Shrier in this article I cited. It’s encouraging that these 2 leaders in the trans health community are counseling some caution in these issues.

    From the comments section if this article:

    “…Imagine a world where the feminine boy and the masculine girl are supported and loved exactly as they are, with no pressure to change a thing about themselves.”


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    “…Imagine a world where the feminine boy and the masculine girl are supported and loved exactly as they are, with no pressure to change a thing about themselves.”


    That's certainly the way it should be.

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    Well, we certainly do live in bizarre times. First we have Ted Cruz speaking out against Uganda's kill the gays law, which was startling on it's own. But then we have the asshole that delivered the invocation at DeSantis' inauguration blasting Cruz for pointing out that the Ugandan law is horrific and wrong. Assuming a member of the press ever gets close enough to DeSantis to ask him about it (a big if considering how terrified he is (with good reason) of talking to the press, I wonder if DeSantis will 1) ignore the whole thing and pretend not to know anything about the doublespeak answer the asshole gave when being called out, 2) offer a tepid "I just want gay people to shut up and go back in the closet, not get stoned to death" response, or 3) actually agree with Cruz's very reasonable statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Well, we certainly do live in bizarre times.
    It's been interesting to watch Democrats and the press (sorry for being repetitious) go to such extremes trying to diminish DeSantis through innuendo and false claims. Bizarre times indeed.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    That horrific Ugandan law was enthusiastically encouraged by a bunch of American evangelists--who should, were there such a place, burn in hell for ignoring Christ's teachings.

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    Okay----Uganda has gotten bad press by The Liberal Media, for a long time, now. Prolly the reason is, the country is not leftist enough. But you know what? Awhile back, I looked on g-maps and the street view of Uganda, and it looks pretty livable. As you know, western nations have a tendency to pave the earth over completely, and big real estate owns the means of consumption--real estate on every byway. Uganda has lots and lots of small businesses selling stuff. The urban layout isn't all crammed together, as in latin America. That tells me something. So, I figure any time Uganda can be held up as an example of non-lefty behavior, Big Media goes for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    It's been interesting to watch Democrats and the press (sorry for being repetitious) go to such extremes trying to diminish DeSantis through innuendo and false claims. Bizarre times indeed.
    So the guy didn’t speak at desantis’ inauguration? Or is it that you think desantis enjoys, and is good at, speaking to the press?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebittybobby View Post
    Okay----Uganda has gotten bad press by The Liberal Media, for a long time, now. Prolly the reason is, the country is not leftist enough. But you know what? Awhile back, I looked on g-maps and the street view of Uganda, and it looks pretty livable. As you know, western nations have a tendency to pave the earth over completely, and big real estate owns the means of consumption--real estate on every byway. Uganda has lots and lots of small businesses selling stuff. The urban layout isn't all crammed together, as in latin America. That tells me something. So, I figure any time Uganda can be held up as an example of non-lefty behavior, Big Media goes for it.
    Uganda doesn’t look livable to me. In fact it’s not livable for me now that I am punishable by death. It must be nice to have the luxury of being a cisgender heterosexual male and be able to ignore things like Uganda’s new law.

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