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    Perhaps instead of dictating that an area long contested belongs to a certain group of people other than the ones currently living there the western decision makers would have done better to come up with a different solution for helping the Jewish people after WWII. In hindsight they baked perpetual strife into the resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    How should the US respond if any of the hostages taken turn out to be our citizens? Especially when they start posting videos of executions?
    I figure we should reckon all of the "hostages" dead at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Perhaps instead of dictating that an area long contested belongs to a certain group of people other than the ones currently living there the western decision makers would have done better to come up with a different solution for helping the Jewish people after WWII. In hindsight they baked perpetual strife into the resolution.
    When the French and British divvied up the Ottoman Empire after the First World War, they were more concerned with spheres of influence than the post-colonial ME a hundred years hence. Much the same in the Balkans. Still, I think the current inhabitants of those troubled regions bear responsibility for the depravity of groups like Hamas, which seem to be the expendable tools of Iranian policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I figure we should reckon all of the "hostages" dead at this point.
    The problem is we’ve already made concessions to brutal states like Iran and Russia to retrieve our citizens and created the impression that seizure of Americans can be profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    The problem is we’ve already made concessions to brutal states like Iran and Russia to retrieve our citizens and created the impression that seizure of Americans can be profitable.
    I don't think the Israelis are quite as generous. They hold some powerful bargaining cards, like water and power to Gaza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I don't think the Israelis are quite as generous. They hold some powerful bargaining cards, like water and power to Gaza.
    I doubt Hamas is terribly concerned about the welfare of ordinary Gazans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I don't think the Israelis are quite as generous. They hold some powerful bargaining cards, like water and power to Gaza.
    Didn't they, um, *invent* Old Testament justice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I doubt Hamas is terribly concerned about the welfare of ordinary Gazans.
    Wasn't Hamas elected by a vote of the people in 2006?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Wasn't Hamas elected by a vote of the people in 2006?
    Yes. The same year my kid was born. He’s a high school senior now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Yes. The same year my kid was born. He’s a high school senior now.
    Do people who elect a government like that, and support it decade after decade, bear any culpability in the actions of the government?

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