Keffiyeh Kids

[bae]

I suspect the majority don't recognize Israel's right to exist.

I think Israel's "right to exist" was established in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, when there was a concerted attempt to drive the Jewish people into the sea. Israel has re-asserted that right when defending itself during multiple wars over the years since, as periodically their neighbors band together and try to crush them.

I'm not sure where a nation's "right to exist" comes from.

[Rogar]

I'm not sure where a nation's "right to exist" comes from.

I can imagine in context it recognizes the legitimacy of a territory and it's peoples as a sovereign state. But it is a rather abstract concept with no real international agreement?

The Humus randomly lobbing of many thousands of rockets into Israel over the last couple of decades might be an expression of Israel's perceived legitimacy or lack of.

[LDAHL]

It’s interesting to juxtapose a country confronting an exterminationist culture with privileged students demanding that Sabra hummus be banned on campus.

[Simone]

Modern day dirty hippies. I have no use for them. Notice it’s all students at expensive universities who are doing this. Don’t they have anything better and more useful to do?

Tradd, this is happening on state campuses now. Over one hundred students were given ten-minutes notice to vacate an encampment at SUNY (New York) New Paltz yesterday. This is not an exclusive university, not a place for wealthy people.

Something has been lighted here and the fire is catching. I think it's a moral crisis for many people, and particularly for Americans. It is for me. If I were a kid again, a lapsed Catholic kid, I know I would be among the encamped students, trying to sit with the Jewish kids for peace. Being old, I'd like to be on a team with other elders insisting on entering that library with that Jewish kid among us, protected.

This is all very hard.

[iris lilies]

I kinda like that the students at Washington University here in St. Louis have a specific goal that is within their realm to influence, and that is the relationship Boeing has with Washington University. Boeing sponsors all kinds of scholarships, leadership conferences, professorships, departmental research, etc.

Of course the irony is that current students who are protesting have reaped the benefits of Boeing money going to the university and to students, and they want to take that away from future students. And that might be OK the future students, who knows.

[LDAHL]

Something has been lighted here and the fire is catching. .

Is it? A small minority of students at a small minority of schools (plus the usual non-student hangers-on) have managed to inconvenience everyone else at their campuses. That doesn’t strike me as a groundswell. More like a fad.

[iris lilies]

Is it? A small minority of students at a small minority of schools (plus the usual non-student hangers-on) have managed to inconvenience everyone else at their campuses. That doesn’t strike me as a groundswell. More like a fad.

Remember all the good that the Occupy movement did?

yeah

[LDAHL]

Remember all the good that the Occupy movement did?

yeah

Will Zuccotti Park go down in history along with Valley Forge?

[Tradd]

Tradd, this is happening on state campuses now. Over one hundred students were given ten-minutes notice to vacate an encampment at SUNY (New York) New Paltz yesterday. This is not an exclusive university, not a place for wealthy people.

Something has been lighted here and the fire is catching. I think it's a moral crisis for many people, and particularly for Americans. It is for me. If I were a kid again, a lapsed Catholic kid, I know I would be among the encamped students, trying to sit with the Jewish kids for peace. Being old, I'd like to be on a team with other elders insisting on entering that library with that Jewish kid among us, protected.

This is all very hard.

Even if it’s happening at state schools - still modern day dirty hippies. I have no use for any of them. Go do something useful rather than blocking campus, preventing people from going to class or work.

Notice how they’re all concerned about something half a world away but don’t give a sh*t about gang violence or whatever else is tearing up their cities.

[LDAHL]

I see that Columbia’s president (she’s a Baroness back home in the UK) has decided to cancel the university’s commencement into several smaller ceremonies in response to potential disruptions like Michigan saw.

President Biden, perhaps inspired by the courage of the protesters, made up a story about being jailed for standing up for a black family during a desegregation protest. Snopes spoiled the moment by rating his story “false”.

I also see Gaza camps are springing up in Oxbridge now. Sort of puts me in mind of those protesters shouting “hands up don’t shoot” at unarmed British cops a few years ago.