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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I'm afraid I'm not following the logic that Trump did not commit crimes and that the news should not have reported on a presidential candidate's criminal trials through the court systems because it promoted the republican agenda.
    Donald Trump “falsified business records “and that was the one single thing that resulted in these 34 charges. He pulled down 34 separate charges for one act. Do you actually care about that?

    he did it, he could be prosecuted, he was prosecuted. But it’s not important. This other charges and how he screwed the United States are more important to me topped by the January 6 shenanigans.

    Just like influence peddling by the Biden family is creepy and probably prosecutable. That affected our country.

    The fact that Hunter Biden lied on a gun application is unimportant and that prosecution was politically motivated.

    so many prosecutions are politically motivated. It is simply untrue that every time a law is broekn, there is prosecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    we could have an actual pull-himself-up-by -the -bootstraps VP one heartbeat from the Presidency in JD Vance.

    as for the DEI charge about Kamala,, let’s remember that when no one was purposely promoting her due to her sex and race, she got exactly 0 delegates when she ran in the primary years ago. Clearly she needed the boost of DEI to get her where she think she needs to be.
    I thought Vance was a revealing choice. He doesn’t seem to add any voters to the ticket they didn’t already have. Is this Trump trying to cement his legacy? A signal that he wants to sweep out any vestiges of Reaganism from the GOP? That saddens me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I thought Vance was a revealing choice. He doesn’t seem to add any voters to the ticket they didn’t already have. Is this Trump trying to cement his legacy? A signal that he wants to sweep out any vestiges of Reaganism from the GOP? That saddens me.
    I heard The Editors lament this, but we knew that was coming for a long time. It has been discussed in Missouri politics, the loss of John Dandorth type politicos. Out With the old and in with the new.

    And I am celebrating the fact that JD Vance is not ancient. He’s only 39 years old. He has changed once, he can change again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Donald Trump “falsified business records “and that was the one single thing that resulted in these 34 charges. He pulled down 34 separate charges for one act. Do you actually care about that?
    Hillary Clinton did the exact same thing and her campaign was fined a few thousand dollars without an ounce of media fanfare as far as I recall. In Trump's case the misdemeanor violation which had already passed the statute of limitations date had to be linked to another crime in order to make it prosecutable. The additional crime was never specified and the jury was asked to mentally link it to a list of possible crimes which were never charged or prosecuted and the jury was not required to agree on what crime that may have been, which resulted in 35 felonies from 1 misdemeanor violation.

    I've never heard of such a prosecution and fully expect the convictions to be reversed upon appeal, and I suspect the prosecution team is OK with that, they accomplished their goal of labeling Trump as felon in the period leading up to an election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The fact that Hunter Biden lied on a gun application is unimportant and that prosecution was politically motivated.
    I don't know that it was politically motivated as much as it was CYA motivated as a result of the DOJ's attempt to sweep the initial charge, as well as any other potential charges that may be brought, under a rug. Once the presiding judge questioned the extent of the DOJ's agreement they found themselves in the difficult situation of either admitting they were trying to make all charges go away, or saying 'Oh, we didn't mean to do that, let's just go ahead and prosecute this one. My bad!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Donald Trump “falsified business records “and that was the one single thing that resulted in these 34 charges. He pulled down 34 separate charges for one act. Do you actually care about that?

    he did it, he could be prosecuted, he was prosecuted. But it’s not important. This other charges and how he screwed the United States are more important to me topped by the January 6 shenanigans.

    Just like influence peddling by the Biden family is creepy and probably prosecutable. That affected our country.

    The fact that Hunter Biden lied on a gun application is unimportant and that prosecution was politically motivated.

    so many prosecutions are politically motivated. It is simply untrue that every time a law is broekn, there is prosecution.
    I'm pretty much over the argument that the legal system is weaponized against Trump or the GOP, especially after some Supreme Court rulings.

    These are the specific felonies Trump was charged with. If you rob a bank with a gun while on probation you can bet there will be more than one charge, just as an example. It's just the way the law works.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-...rial-34-counts
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I heard The Editors lament this, but we knew that was coming for a long time. It has been discussed in Missouri politics, the loss of John Dandorth type politicos. Out With the old and in with the new.

    And I am celebrating the fact that JD Vance is not ancient. He’s only 39 years old. He has changed once, he can change again.
    I guess I have a problem with the new. What’s the point of defeating the Democrats if the GOP becomes no better than they are? Big, bullying government. Industrial policy. Damn the Constitution and full speed ahead thinking. Scrape away Trump’s bluster and Harris’ word salad, and there’s precious little distance between governing philosophy outside of a few traditional panders.

    I’m at the point of praying for gridlock no matter who wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I guess I have a problem with the new. What’s the point of defeating the Democrats if the GOP becomes no better than they are? Big, bullying government. Industrial policy. Damn the Constitution and full speed ahead thinking. Scrape away Trump’s bluster and Harris’ word salad, and there’s precious little distance between governing philosophy outside of a few traditional panders.

    I’m at the point of praying for gridlock no matter who wins.
    yes, gridlock is nice. If we can all just turn off our social media and political commentary and go about our lives, our lives will be mostly unaffected. Both houses and the executive branch will lob insults and gen up news stories and etc. but not much of it is important if they can’t “get anything done. “

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I don't know that it was politically motivated as much as it was CYA motivated as a result of the DOJ's attempt to sweep the initial charge, as well as any other potential charges that may be brought, under a rug. Once the presiding judge questioned the extent of the DOJ's agreement they found themselves in the difficult situation of either admitting they were trying to make all charges go away, or saying 'Oh, we didn't mean to do that, let's just go ahead and prosecute this one. My bad!!"
    Sure, but how did the initial charge against Hunter come about? who is looking at his gun owner application five years after the fact, and why? It’s because he’s Joe Biden’s son and/or more likely because he placed himself in the news due to shenanigans of influence peddling.

    Joe blow down the street from me. It’s not gonna have his gun ownership application scrutinized.

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    The attacks J. D. has been making about Harris not having any biological children are quite Trumpian in their gross indecency.
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