Let the debate begin?

[Alan]

Saw today that John McCain’s son is going to vote for Harris. The republican party is no longer getting his vote.

I don't think he's ever been a Republican. CNN says he had been a registered Independent for years until recently changing his voter registration to Democrat. I'm guessing that was done prior to his state's primary.

Made me wonder previously what changed the minds of LDahl, Alan and others here to decide that they no longer endorsed trump?

I can't speak for LDAHL or others but I've never endorsed Trump as I've always believed my party of choice had better candidates for the job. I didn't endorse him in 2016, 2020 or now, although I will admit I've spent an awful lot of time here responding to things Trump haters have posted in an effort to provide a differing, hopefully rational point of view on whatever Trump or Republican Party related subject or claim you or JP1 or whomever may make. I'll continue to do that whenever I think it's appropriate, I find the fact it get's me labeled as a Trumpie to be amusing.

Early on no matter what trump did was ok and then not so. What was the tipping point?

Speaking for myself, there's never been a tipping point, I have always believed that Trump's personality and narcissism is off-putting and have consistently cautioned Democrats and their media allies to temper their continuous criticism of him and his supporters since it simply makes non Democrats want to vote for him as a way of peacefully poking you in the eye.

As for me, I vote Republican not because I'm enamored with a particular candidate, but because I've never seen a Democratic candidate that reflects my mixture of conservative/classical liberal/libertarian leaning values. Unfortunately, that sort of candidate can certainly never survive in the Democratic Party, or the current Republican Party either for that matter, but we do what we must in hopes of a better tomorrow.

[Rogar]

It looks as though Harris has relented to have the microphones muted, which has been a sticking point. Why she wanted them to be unmuted for the whole debate is curious. My best guess is that Donald would not be able to restrain flapping his jib and making a fool of himself. It does seem like a good rule to keep things more civil.

[frugal-one]

I don't think he's ever been a Republican. CNN says he had been a registered Independent for years until recently changing his voter registration to Democrat. I'm guessing that was done prior to his state's primary.

I can't speak for LDAHL or others but I've never endorsed Trump as I've always believed my party of choice had better candidates for the job. I didn't endorse him in 2016, 2020 or now, although I will admit I've spent an awful lot of time here responding to things Trump haters have posted in an effort to provide a differing, hopefully rational point of view on whatever Trump or Republican Party related subject or claim you or JP1 or whomever may make. I'll continue to do that whenever I think it's appropriate, I find the fact it get's me labeled as a Trumpie to be amusing.

Speaking for myself, there's never been a tipping point, I have always believed that Trump's personality and narcissism is off-putting and have consistently cautioned Democrats and their media allies to temper their continuous criticism of him and his supporters since it simply makes non Democrats want to vote for him as a way of peacefully poking you in the eye.

As for me, I vote Republican not because I'm enamored with a particular candidate, but because I've never seen a Democratic candidate that reflects my mixture of conservative/classical liberal/libertarian leaning values. Unfortunately, that sort of candidate can certainly never survive in the Democratic Party, or the current Republican Party either for that matter, but we do what we must in hopes of a better tomorrow.

So, basically, in doing so… you endorse trump.

[frugal-one]

It looks as though Harris has relented to have the microphones muted, which has been a sticking point. Why she wanted them to be unmuted for the whole debate is curious. My best guess is that Donald would not be able to restrain flapping his jib and making a fool of himself. It does seem like a good rule to keep things more civil.

Reverse psychology?

[Alan]

So, basically, in doing so… you endorse trump.

LOL, it's a little more complicated than that. Philosophically, I've never believed he is a Republican but rather a disillusioned old style Democrat with an outsized ego.

[jp1]

I find it amusing that trump apparently donated to Kamala’s attorney general campaign back in the day.

And I’m not surprised to see that in addition to McCain’s son and many Republican leaders Liz Cheney has announced her support for Harris. It seems that a significant number of non Maga republicans think a full repudiation of Maga is the only way to get their party back.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by frugal-one
Saw today that John McCain’s son is going to vote for Harris. The republican party is no longer getting his vote.

And I’m not surprised to see that in addition to McCain’s son and many Republican leaders Liz Cheney has announced her support for Harris.

Political disagreements are as common as the family variety. Besides Tim Walz's brother being "100% opposed to my brother's politics", Newsweek is reporting his extended family in Nebraska seem to prefer Trump.

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention it.

[jp1]

Originally Posted by frugal-one
Saw today that John McCain’s son is going to vote for Harris. The republican party is no longer getting his vote.



Political disagreements are as common as the family variety. Besides Tim Walz's brother being "100% opposed to my brother's politics", his extended family in Nebraska seem to prefer Trump.

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention it.

Family members opposing their family candidate is no surprise. Just look at the Kennedy family members that oppose wacko RFK Jr. I was talking about actual politicians and other people who have worked in government. To be fair trump has RFK and that other weirdo Tulsi Gabbard supporting him. I suppose if he’s really trying to emphasize ‘weird’ he’s doing great.

[Alan]

Family members opposing their family candidate is no surprise. Just look at the Kennedy family members that oppose wacko RFK Jr. I was talking about actual politicians and other people who have worked in government.

Oh, you must have thrown me off by mentioning McCain's son.

To be fair trump has RFK and that other weirdo Tulsi Gabbard supporting him.

What's weird about Tulsi Gabbard? And what do you think about her being placed on the TSA Terror Watch List the day after criticizing Harris on TV? I can't think of any reason for that to happen to a former Democrat, Congresswoman and current Lt Col in the Army with several combat zone deployments. Can you?

[iris lilies]

Oh, you must have thrown me off by mentioning McCain's son.


What's weird about Tulsi Gabbard? And what do you think about her being placed on the TSA Terror Watch List the day after criticizing Harris on TV? I can't think of any reason for that to happen to a former Democrat, Congresswoman and current Lt Col in the Army with several combat zone deployments. Can you?

yeah, that was my immediate question too, why is Tulsi G weird?

is it entirely because she didnt drinkmthe Koolaid?

Ellen, I didn’t know she’d been placed on the TSA terror watchlist. That is…seemingly unseemingly.