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    I just wonder if all those being rounded up are truly on a list to be taken? It certainly looks as if quotas and masks are not the sign of researched targeting. Ice agents appear to be grabbing up people, showing no just cause, no warrants, no paperwork signed by a judge that determines they need taken up. I am also concerned as to what is happening once they are in custody. The anger shown in every video, the language, lead me to believe those taken are not treated as they should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nswef View Post
    I just wonder if all those being rounded up are truly on a list to be taken? It certainly looks as if quotas and masks are not the sign of researched targeting. Ice agents appear to be grabbing up people, showing no just cause, no warrants, no paperwork signed by a judge that determines they need taken up. I am also concerned as to what is happening once they are in custody. The anger shown in every video, the language, lead me to believe those taken are not treated as they should be.

    This concerns me as well. Sure, ICE quotas may be in place and if a measurable number of US citizens and immigrants here legally are pulled into that group, and they are not processed and released quickly, that is a problem of major proportion.

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    My partner teaches in a public elementary school on the mainland, in the Skagit Valley. It is a very cool dual-language school - the children receive half their instruction during the day in Spanish, half the day in English. Teachers teach as pairs - one doing the Spanish, one doing English, covering two classrooms. The children swap classrooms during the middle of the day. My partner teaches the Spanish half of the paired classroom, mostly covering science and math and some literacy skills.

    Families have to choose to send their children to this program, which starts at kindergarten. The demographics of the families are all over the map, economically, and ethnically.

    The Skagit Valley is ~20% Hispanic, 3% Asian, 3% First Nations, 1% African-American. Significant Hispanic population began settling here in the 1920s, expanding in the 1940s, and most of the Hispanic population has been here for ages, and are citizens.

    Nonetheless, my partner's elementary school is feeling ICE presence, and it is disrupting the educational process. Families are afraid to show up for parent-teacher conferences. Parents doing drop-off/pick-up are being forced to interact with ICE, and this seems to be causing lower attendance from the "people who have brown skin" community. My partner was accosted once in the parking lot for simply speaking Spanish with a co-worker, though my partner is a US citizen, and her family came here from Wales in the 1700s, and she appears about as white as you can get, though is often mistaken for being from Argentina, probably due to her accent. ICE showed up at the high-school graduation event to stake out the event/parking lot, which was sort of hilarious as they showed up at the wrong address.

    In my own life, I'm getting stopped *much* more frequently when traveling from island to island in small boats. Our local volunteer water taxi service that springs into action when the state ferry service is disrupted is being stopped constantly, and sometimes detentions of community members have occurred. Many of the detentions were of people with a legal right to be in the USA. Hard to explain that "Dad got snatched off the boat, they'll probably spring him...sometime" to the kids at home.

    Another effect of the current nonsense is that we all had a very cooperative relationship with the local Coast Guard units, who helped us with all sorts of things. They often stop in at several of the stores along waterfronts to grab their lunches. Since they've been involved in multi-agency activities the past year, they have gone from "heroes to zeroes" in the eyes of most of the local community, and a large chunk of our quite active Coast Guard Auxiliary unit has resigned.

    Sad times.

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    This. Is. Not. Normal.

    Bae, I sub at a school much like, almost exactly like, your partner's. 42% Latino student population, and we are experiencing much of the same. I hear Seattle is noting higher ICE presence this week.
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    Colorado has a sizable Hispanic population, especially in the south. There have been a few ICE roundups of most likely gangsters in bad areas, but I've not seen much evidence of a big ICE presence and disruptions like those mentioned. Maybe it's coming. Friends went to a rally/protest last week and said the turnout was rather anemic. Most of Trump's revenge tour here has been around the imprisonment of Tina Peters.
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    I am also concerned as to what is happening once they are in custody
    I wonder about this too as not much is out there other than "detention" centers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Colorado has a sizable Hispanic population, especially in the south.
    My mother-in-law and father-in-law were both cultural anthropologists, out of Colorado College. They often studied Hispanic settlements that pre-existed the establishment of the USA.

    The village my FIL worked with the most was way up in the hills, and not a word of English was spoken there the times I visited over the decades. I suspect everyone there was a citizen.

    My MIL worked for decades using her research to return land use rights to the peoples of the San Luis Valley, which had been cruelly taken by the wealthy Anglo immigrants to the region. She did similar things for the Native American peoples of the region - the Navajo Nation sent a delegation to her funeral, and there is a plaque honoring her work in the National Museum of the American Indian in DC, up near the treaty room exhibit. There's another similar plaque and display in the Palace of The Governors in Santa Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkytoe View Post
    I wonder about this too as not much is out there other than "detention" centers.
    Possibly of interest:

    https://truthout.org/articles/deaths...-prison-walls/

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Not me buddy! I aint stickin’ my neck out for that!
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    if we can find social media discussion sites that support good faith, nuanced discussion, that’s the real deal.

    We could become that site, but I don't think anyone's interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post

    We could become that site, but I don't think anyone's interested.
    oh agreed, this is not the place.��

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