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    Quote Originally Posted by kib View Post
    Well maybe "language" is a bit self important for what I'm doing! Just my term for knowing how to use specific OS and software and getting it to be compatible.

    We are currently a house divided, with DH in the Mac-ro-verse and me PC / Android / WP. Part of me is envious of the Mac world, part of me spent time with MIL in a store with a Genius Bar and thought I'd rather shoot myself than stand there with $17,000 in devices I don't really need and can't fix myself, that aren't doing what was promised. I can do that for $1000 at home!
    The Apple Store is the 9th circle of hell. I will never take a computer there ever again. Even though the staff are very nice, the level of noise was horrific. Screaming kids oh my God fortunately, there’s another Mac dealer and fixer not all that far from my old house in the city, so I will go there if needed.

    I changed from the PC world to Mac because a few years prior I got iPad mini devices and I use them all the time. Now I have an Apple phone. it all works together.

    Of course with someone with your expectations I think you’re gonna be unhappy because the things you take for granted to know how to do you won’t be able to do, but there are other things trades off that are nice.

    Macs are better for people like me, kindergarten level users. I have to say it wasn’t terrifically painful to learn what I had to learn, and that was even before I had ChatGPT as my tech advisor. Now I use Chatgpt for everything. I was always able to look up solutions in text form and watch YouTube videos, but the problem with that is that they use terminology and etc., that I didn’t even know what they were talking about. With ChatGPT I can pin down exactly what my question is. Also, Chatgpt knows what device I’m using and what version of the software I’m using and will answer in that context.

    So my point is: for kindergarten level users, it wasn’t that painful going from one kindergarten machine to another. I hated Windows 7 anyway. And now with ChatGPT at my fingertips, I feel like I can conquer the world in any Mac thing I need to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    kib, I describe myself as having “kindergarten level” knowledge of almost every program and device I use.

    I do not know any “language.”

    Two years ago I bit the bullet and just plunged into moving from a PC computing environment to a Mac world. I transferred all my files. I have retained my “kindergarten” level of knowledge for it all. I produce very simple spreadsheet and text docs. Nothing is pretty.

    last year I was on eight different boards, being secretary for a couple of them, president for a couple of them, treasurer for one, etc. and that means I have to produce documents and share them. The biggest pain about Mac world Is that I have to convert my data into a different format whenever I’m sending it to others. Apparently, the majority of the world is still PC based.
    Iris, do you send your Pages documents out in .doc file format? Word can read that. I usually use PDF unless someone needs to edit, but I will use Google Docs for something someone else needs to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The Apple Store is the 9th circle of hell. I will never take a computer there ever again. Even though the staff are very nice, the level of noise was horrific. Screaming kids oh my God fortunately, there’s another Mac dealer and fixer not all that far from my old house in the city, so I will go there if needed.

    I changed from the PC world to Mac because a few years prior I got iPad mini devices and I use them all the time. Now I have an Apple phone. it all works together.

    Of course with someone with your expectations I think you’re gonna be unhappy because the things you take for granted to know how to do you won’t be able to do, but there are other things trades off that are nice.

    Macs are better for people like me, kindergarten level users. I have to say it wasn’t terrifically painful to learn what I had to learn, and that was even before I had ChatGPT as my tech advisor. Now I use Chatgpt for everything. I was always able to look up solutions in text form and watch YouTube videos, but the problem with that is that they use terminology and etc., that I didn’t even know what they were talking about. With ChatGPT I can pin down exactly what my question is. Also, Chatgpt knows what device I’m using and what version of the software I’m using and will answer in that context.

    So my point is: for kindergarten level users, it wasn’t that painful going from one kindergarten machine to another. I hated Windows 7 anyway. And now with ChatGPT at my fingertips, I feel like I can conquer the world in any Mac thing I need to do.
    As Apple says, "It just works."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    Iris, do you send your Pages documents out in .doc file format? Word can read that. I usually use PDF unless someone needs to edit, but I will use Google Docs for something someone else needs to change.
    my Mac OS gives me these choices for conversion when exporting a document:


    PDF, word, E pub, plain Text, rich text,Pages09

    the file format I use to send out depends on who I’m sending it to. If it’s just an informational document, I’ll convert it to PDF. But there’s other times where someone will need to edit my text and I don’t know what machine they have and so I sent it rich text since that seems to be the most flexible.

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    Word is .doc or .docx, the last being the most recent one.

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    Iris, do you use Apple Numbers at all? I use it a little, one of the budgeting templates. I despise Excel, so I use it as little as possible outside of work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    Iris, do you use Apple Numbers at all? I use it a little, one of the budgeting templates. I despise Excel, so I use it as little as possible outside of work!
    yes, I use Numbers often, but I don’t use it to perform math operations. I use it as a database to track members of organizations, irises in my garden, lilies in my garden, and daffodils in my garden. I have used it for my book collection before I sold most of that.

    There was a time many years ago when I was still working that we had an actual database manager program that we used for various functions but I find the standard spreadsheets to work OK for my simple text database needs.

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