Occupy Wall Street PROTESTERS Not Letting Up - Nationwide

[Zoebird]

Whether or not PPACA creates more or less uncertainity is really a matter of opinion and belief, not fact.

I feel confident saying that PPACA did not "cause this job situation" and to date has not positively or negatively impacted "the job situation" because there is no *evidence* to support this claim or belief.

It might also be noted that business people (such as myself -- people who run their own businesses) are pretty comfortable with uncertainty, and live with a lot of it. I think uncertainty is the business climate. YOu do a lot of work and planning and budgeting and forecasting, but ultimately, it's always uncertain. that's what business is.

heck, that's what life is.

[Catwoman]

Open your eyes!!

moratorium on offshore drilling - jobs killer
obamacare - jobs killer, R & D killer
New regs on irs reporting on small business - jobs killer
constant threat (from pres.) of raising taxes - jobs killer
auto industry bailout - jobs killer
cash for clunkers - jobs killer
constant threat of obamacare expenses on business owners - jobs killer, direct cause of job relocations overseas
living in the union's pockets, effectively being on the unions payroll - jobs killer

you want specifics - there are too, too many to list here but it is basic cause and effect. If you want to live where the government takes care of you, takes half or more of your paycheck, regulates virtually everything you do - then move. Americans won't stand for it. Realizing this is a liberal leaning group, I think many of you are not in touch with mainstream, middle class voters. 13 months and you will see the referendum.

[Rogar]

Catwomen, maybe I'm missing your point, but there is no doubt the financial crisis caused joblessness and Obama is no where near the top of causes for the crisis. Nor are there any proposals by him, to take "more than half" a paycheck. Even the tax proposals for the rich are modest. Obama has been less effective in correctling unemployment than most would like, but he is very far from the core of the issues, and there is some general agreement that the stimulus prevented us from going deeper into recession or depression.

[Alan]

I think it's pretty clear that President Obama didn't cause the job crisis we find ourselves in, but it seems equally clear to me that his policies contribute to the continuation of the crisis.

People can say what they want about the tax climate for business in this country being the lowest it has been in decades, but until they realize that our government still imposes a harsher burden on business than other countries, they shouldn't be surprised at the outcome. And further, no one should be surprised at business being reluctant to commit to further jobs during periods of uncertainty regarding future regulation, taxes and government mandates. If there's one thing this administration has done well, it's to voice their desire to impose more of those three items onto the very people they depend upon to improve the economy.

[Rogar]

Alan, perhaps you saw the CEO of GE on 60 minutes last night. He was in favor of a flat 20% corporate tax with no loopholes. He said that this is in line with much of Europe and would mean more taxes for some, and less for others. I'm not the tax expert that you seem to be, but thought this was interesting.

[Alan]

I'm certainly not an expert, but it doesn't take one to realize that the US has a higher corporate tax rate than any of our European neighbors. My company would benefit from a flat 20% corporate tax.

As an example, my company just purchased one division of an Irish company and has decided to re-organize as an Irish corporation. There are several reasons for this, one being that it's easier to get regulatory approvals to sell our products in the EU as an EU based company, but another major factor is the corporate tax rate. Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate, while our historic US effective corporate tax rate has been closer to 30%.

[Rogar]

This is what I think the whole OWS is about, presented in a slightly humorous fashion. The problem I see is that, for the most part, business did not commit any crimes based on our current laws. The crimes commited were moral crimes. When we talk about more or less regulation, there in lies some of the core issues to me. (Personally I think it is time for people to start looking to a third party with better candidates, as I see the Republicans and the tea party married to Wall Street and the Democrats serving them dinner in their lodge).

[peggy]

I think it's pretty clear that President Obama didn't cause the job crisis we find ourselves in, but it seems equally clear to me that his policies contribute to the continuation of the crisis.

People can say what they want about the tax climate for business in this country being the lowest it has been in decades, but until they realize that our government still imposes a harsher burden on business than other countries, they shouldn't be surprised at the outcome. And further, no one should be surprised at business being reluctant to commit to further jobs during periods of uncertainty regarding future regulation, taxes and government mandates. If there's one thing this administration has done well, it's to voice their desire to impose more of those three items onto the very people they depend upon to improve the economy.

What policies? Which ones Alan? Quit the Rush Beck talking points and give us specifics!
You do realize NOTHING has changed in the tax policies since George Bush started us on this spiral down the rabbit hole with his tax breaks for the wealthy. Nothing. Obama hasn't changed a thing, and yet, where are the jobs? Where is all this business confidence and 'job creating' that the lower tax rates were supposed to give us? When did we start to decline? Well, I suppose you could go back to Saint Ronald and his trickle down bs...but recently the deficit started spiraling out of control because of Bush's tax breaks and unfunded wars. Directly related. And now we are supposed to believe only a Republican can ride in and save the day? Really? Do we have stupid tattooed on our foreheads!
And please stop with the incredibly ignorant republican line about how 'the threat of FUTURE taxes and, and, things will make business people stop doing business'. What a load of horse hocky! This is a consumer driven economy. If there is a market, REAL business people will satisfy that market. McDonald's isn't going to close down a successful store because they might have to pay a bit more in taxes. No business person is going to refuse $10,000 because he/she might have to pay $1000 in taxes.
It's this kind of talking point that really makes my blood boil because it assumes we are all just too stupid to figure this one out.
OK, show of hands among the business people here. Yesterday you made 10,000. Today you will make 9,000. Is that going to make you close shop?

[iris lily]

Saturday Night Live joked about the OWS protestors, saying that they are really VERY different from Tea Party protesters because the OWS people are anarchists and the Tea Partiers want no government. So there. ha ha.

[iris lily]

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OK, show of hands among the business people here. Yesterday you made 10,000. Today you will make 9,000. Is that going to make you close shop?

Close shop? Was that was we were talking about? A business person who is losing money is not going to hire. Hiring is on hold. We were talking about the environment for adding more jobs and it's not there.