here we go again...

[peggy]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...trasound-bill/

So, this Virginia gov. has signed in this intrusive MANDATE that women (who apparently are just too stupid to know what is in their bellies!) must have an ultrasound before having a legal medical procedure.

This is a clear case of government over reach and interference. They are now forcing this unnecessary, intrusive medical procedure on these women. Wow! Talk about over reaching government!

The Republicans do realize women vote, right? Or are our voting rights next on the chopping block? I wouldn't doubt it. They keep talking about 'taking us back' but they never say to what. Well, it ain't rocket surgery. It's becoming pretty apparent 'to where' they wish to take us!

So, you conservatives/republicans on this forum. What say you? Is this gross application of government power? Or is this effective use of government in your opinion? What do you think of this?

[Alan]

It is popular these days to strip the unborn of their humanity through language. The ultrasound image may be the first time some women realize that there's a baby in there.

[bae]

So, you conservatives/republicans on this forum. What say you? Is this gross application of government power? Or is this effective use of government in your opinion? What do you think of this?

I'd say the government has no moral authority to tell a woman what she can do with her body. And that women have every moral authority to resist this to the utmost. And the rest of us have an obligation to assist.

I'd say more, but my blood pressure would rise, or they'd drag me off to Gitmo.

[pinkytoe]

Same thing going on here in Texas. Makes my skin crawl to think that men still tell women what to do with their bodies. I think abortion is a horrible thing but this is too much.

[redfox]

The ultrasound image may be the first time some women realize that there's a baby in there.

THAT is bull****.

If a pregnant woman wants a medical procedure such an ultrasound, she requests one. It's between her & her PCP.

[Zoebird]

I agree, redfox. It is BS. Most women know what pregnancy is and what it means before they cross the threshold of menses. They know it's a baby in there, ultrasound or no. And if they choose to terminate their pregnancy as per their legal right under the laws of the land, then this invasive procedure is ridiculous.

I agree with bae, here.

[Alan]

Is it true that Planned Parenthood already requires ultrasounds before they will conduct an abortion? http://www.commentarymagazine.com/20...s-ultrasounds/

“That’s just the medical standard,” said Adrienne Schreiber, an official at
Planned Parenthood’s Washington, D.C., regional office. “To confirm the
gestational age of the pregnancy, before any procedure is done, you do an
ultrasound.”


According to Schreiber, Planned Parenthood does require women to give signed
consent for abortion procedures, including the ultrasound. But if the women
won’t consent to the ultrasound, the abortion cannot take place, according to
the group’s national standards.

[flowerseverywhere]

Alan, the rest of the story quotes this:

"Johnson pointed out that vaginal ultrasounds are necessary in the cases of early pregnancies. According to Johnson, “90 percent of abortions are performed within the first 12 weeks.” According to Johnson, for North Carolina women, the new ultrasound requirement would not change their experience with ultrasounds at Planned Parenthood clinics, but now all abortion providers in the state would have to abide by that same policy. Johnson stated, “Before the law, if a woman didn’t want to undergo the scan, she could go elsewhere,” but that option would not be available if the currently enjoined section of the law goes into effect."
http://ncfamily.org/stories/120229s1.html

this law takes away that choice. Most women are not too stupid to realize a baby is in there. That is a downright nasty and mean thing to say. Do you think more abortions would be prevented if men were more supportive? I cannot tell you how many women I have known in my life who had a sperm donor who did anything to avoid paying child support as well as paying emotional support to the woman and her child. And women I know who have had abortions did not skip in and say Whoopee!

when I was in nursing school we had a chance to work in an abortion clinic. It was a life changing experience, and I came away with a more pro-abortion stance than I had before. I seriously thought of doing that after nursing school but instead worked in psych (and therefore with some women who had abortions who never got over it). There were older women, young women, mothers, daughters. There is no one description of a women who gets in this situation. Some had errors of judgement, some were forced into sex, some thought it would not happen to them, there are all kinds of stories. Most had such a sadness in their hearts.

It is very demeaning to think that women are too stupid to realize what is happening. Maybe they are the smart ones instead of people who bring children into the world to teach their agenda of hate. Because what we have going on right now is an agenda of hate, humility and shaming largely by the gender who cannot get pregnant.

[flowerseverywhere]

I'd say the government has no moral authority to tell a woman what she can do with her body. And that women have every moral authority to resist this to the utmost. And the rest of us have an obligation to assist.

I'd say more, but my blood pressure would rise, or they'd drag me off to Gitmo.

thank you bae, there are very few men standing up for women these days.

[jp1]

Is it true that Planned Parenthood already requires ultrasounds before they will conduct an abortion? http://www.commentarymagazine.com/20...s-ultrasounds/

There's a big difference between doing an ultrasound so the medical professional can make sure to do a safe procedure and doing an ultrasound for the purpose of requiring the woman to look at it.

I've had an ultrasound (I'm a guy, so no, I wasn't pregnant) and the ultrasound tech not only didn't make me look at it, he wouldn't let me. And wouldn't answer any questions I had. I had to wait until my follow up with my doc.