You can see consciousness on an ultrasound? Science has come a long way.
The zygote/embryo/fetus under discussion is a developing human; no doubt about it.
You can see consciousness on an ultrasound? Science has come a long way.
The zygote/embryo/fetus under discussion is a developing human; no doubt about it.
Then I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Senator Santorum brings it up in a stump speech.Originally Posted by creaker
It seems that they never get around to telling the men how they should conduct their own sexual behavior, does it? Even when it comes to abstinence it seems the primary expectation is that it's the woman's job to be the one to say no.Then I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Senator Santorum brings it up in a stump speech.
That's one of the things I find fascinating about politics. During this campaign cycle, contraception has never been a part of the Republican party platform nor the platforms of the individual candidates.Then I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Senator Santorum brings it up in a stump speech.
It was brought up in a debate by a Democrat and then forced into the public sphere by an over-reaching Democrat administration, then suddenly there is a "republican war on women" which conveniently takes precedence over the real issues of the day.
I find it fascinating. Transparent, but fascinating none-the-less.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
And they just keep raising the ante:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...g-offense.html
Keep up the good work, GOP!
And it's Democratic, btw. An adjective.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democra...y_%28phrase%29
ETA:
""Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party.[1] The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since 1940.[2]"
Last edited by JaneV2.0; 3-16-12 at 3:26pm.
I think it came up in the Republican debates really. Rest of the country scratches their heads .... why is birth control being debated? Um errr ... it can't be rationally understood .... don't try ... perhaps analyze it as pathology ....That's one of the things I find fascinating about politics. During this campaign cycle, contraception has never been a part of the Republican party platform nor the platforms of the individual candidates.
Trees don't grow on money
Absolutely no doubt about it.
And the convo swings wildly...from abortion to politics to Catholics to Planned Parenthood to........strange things. The desperate attempts to call a baby a "zygote" and then when its obvious that fails, the insane idea that killing is ok, which i'm sure violates the conscience of everyone here despites some totally absurd posts.......
Yes it did come up in the debates, as I previously mentioned, brought up by George Stephanopoulos. It's timing was perfect at just a week or so before the administration announced that religous institutions must provide contraception coverage to employees and students.
I think George was priming the pump.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Maybe because the conversation is boring? Can we swing this topic to maybe an um interesting one? What can one possibly say that is new on the abortion issue. There may be issues I feel I know something about, can offer a new perspective on, can bring facts to light, am interested in. But really what can one possibly say on the abortion topic that hasn't been said a thousand times?And the convo swings wildly...from abortion to politics to Catholics to Planned Parenthood to........strange things.
- People SHOULD use birth control, people don't for reasons I can't say I even begin to understand. Maybe we should investigate why more people don't use birth control and try to find some solution to that?
- Birth control is not some wildly ineffective thing, but the higher effectiveness is with birth control with some side effects (hormonal bc or ... IUDs, sterilization), not everyone tolerates the side effects.
- you can force a mother to bear a child (maybe, it's really kind of doubtful you can even do that - maybe she just seeks out an underground abortion), but you can't FORCE A MOTHER TO *LOVE* A CHILD. This seems patently obvious to me. You can at best force an 18 year prison sentence, that house will just be full of loving yep, then perhaps the kid spends another 18 years of therapy in adulthood realizing precisely what you were trying to enforce: the value of life! (what life? why their own of course! after 18 years of being unwanted, years of therapy finally makes them see THEIR LIFE has some value maybe ....).
- However ADOPTION is an alternative for some. There is certainly some market for it as many have to go overseas to adopt now, so more babies could be put up for adoption (with caveats: very few people want to adopt a retarded baby for instance - so if the ultrasound reveals serious retardation ...)
- with a population of 7 billion and rising, um that just in itself is going to lead to a devaluing of life almost inevitably. Abortion as population control? Hmm, I prefer birth control really.
But actually there have been socities that practiced infanticide. Not to defend what societies practiced at some point in time - because well societies have practicied some pretty screwed up things. But the socities with overpopulation were those that practiced it generally, in societies without overpopulation problems life was considered more yea sacred. For the record: I am not advocating infanticide. But early abortion (first trimester) does provide an out to avoid it coming to the point you are aborting a more fully formed child.the insane idea that killing is ok, which i'm sure violates the conscience of everyone here despites some totally absurd posts.......
Last edited by ApatheticNoMore; 3-16-12 at 4:02pm.
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