Romney & Bain

[bae]

I concur with Gregg.

[Alan]

I second Bae's concurrence.

While I enjoy a good debate as much as anyone, maybe even more than most, you simply can't debate hatred and mean spiritedness.

It's gonna be a long 8 years after the Romney/Ryan landslide.

[SteveinMN]

What I am completely convinced of is that the current administration has no idea how to foster such an environment. That leaves me with a choice of voting for a candidate that is known failure on this point or a candidate that might also fail, but at least has a background that will give his administration a chance to succeed.

Fair enough, though I prefer to -- err, hope -- that Obama can learn something; all I see from the Republican side is the same old same old -- which is great if you're already a scion of industry, but not really helpful to ordinary folks. And that's why we all have to vote.

[peggy]

It would be impossible for me to overstate the lack of understanding of the issue you just demonstrated with that comment. It is apparently impossible for some to understand that other people aren't comfortable risking what they've worked for if they can not at least be certain the rules won't change. Perhaps that is because most people aren't wired to take a risk under any circumstances anyway so they think the rules really don't make much difference in their lives.




Such a waste. You know only as much about my neighborhood, or anything else about me, as I've shared here. Rather than respond to your insults with righteous indignation or make some crack about getting back on your meds (as provided by the great Obama, of course) I will only say that I feel pity for anyone so blinded by an ideology that they have completely closed off their mind to any other possibility. Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

You know, just because the republicans keep SAYING he wants to change the rules, doesn't actually MEAN he wants to change the rules. hasn't done it yet, so what's he waiting for? His second term. yeah, right, and he's also waiting for his SECOND term to turn the US over to the Europeans, or maybe communist, or china or something. WHAT a crafty fellow! I see his plan now! Don't' do any of the horrible things the republicans accused you of, or predicted you would do in your first term, but wait for the SECOND term. What a clever fellow! Hide those socialist, communist, Stalinist, European, god hating, baby killing, terrorist loving tendencies until your SECOND term!
You do realize your taxes haven't gone up a penny since he took office. You do realize he has added to the deficit less than ST. Romney, Bush Sr. or Shrub. You do realize that despite being thrown all kinds of sh-- since the minute he took office, obstructed and turned back at every turn by a do nothing republican congress, he still managed to save the auto industry (Romney-let em die!) got Bin Laden, passed health care reform, got rid of don't ask don't tell, and a host of other things.
So, where exactly did he fail? The republicans caused the downgrade. the republicans blocked every initiative that would have resulted in jobs, and despite their best efforts, the economy is actually coming back. It's just pathetic that you want to vote for a party that tried their damndest to crash the economy, as in you and I and the whole country, simply to regain power. And it was all done to this end. Paul Ryan exemplified it perfectly when he tried to blame Obama for the down grade in the rating. I believe I even posted at the time that this was their game plan, to force a downgrade and then blame it on Obama...just to regain power.

Now, as to the lack of a reality based environment, well, you bring that on yourself. Every Time we discuss the gritty realities of life in these here United States, without fail you step in with "Well, I don't see that in my community"
You never seem to see racism, as when we discussed the confederate flag, and you don't see health care issues or anyone lacking health care, as when we discussed all the people without health care and lack of options for health care. You never see irresponsible gun ownership, as in virtually everyone in your community is well trained in fire arms and of course the height of responsibility (and each and every one of them could have SAVED all those people in that theatre)
I only said that because, according your posts, you don't have any of the ills that plague the rest of the nation. so, I can only assume you live in Disney Land, where crime is unknown, as is poverty, illness, racism, sexism, discrimination, etc...Lucky you...
We will never solve the nations problems if we don't first admit they exist...everywhere!

[redfox]

I realized today that I am so totally horrified by the stances that Romney & Ryan take regarding women's health, especially abortion, as well as the stances on marriage equality, worker's rights, & immigration; in short, all the stances I have heard thus far regarding most of my family, friends, & neighbors, and in addition, the sheer meanness of the way in which these stances are expressed, that I cannot conceive of someone voting for them even if that voter agrees wth the fiscal policies being advocated by the GOP team.

With that, I am checking out of this distressing convo.

[peggy]

I realized today that I am so totally horrified by the stances that Romney & Ryan take regarding women's health, especially abortion, as well as the stances on marriage equality, worker's rights, & immigration; in short, all the stances I have heard thus far regarding most of my family, friends, & neighbors, and in addition, the sheer meanness of the way in which these stances are expressed, that I cannot conceive of someone voting for them even if that voter agrees wth the fiscal policies being advocated by the GOP team.

With that, I am checking out of this distressing convo.

me too.

[bae]

I realized today that I am so totally horrified by the stances that Romney & Ryan take regarding women's health, especially abortion, as well as the stances on marriage equality, worker's rights, & immigration; in short, all the stances I have heard thus far regarding most of my family, friends, & neighbors, and in addition, the sheer meanness of the way in which these stances are expressed, that I cannot conceive of someone voting for them even if that voter agrees wth the fiscal policies being advocated by the GOP team.

I concur.

[try2bfrugal]

I realized today that I am so totally horrified by the stances that Romney & Ryan take regarding women's health, especially abortion, as well as the stances on marriage equality, worker's rights, & immigration; in short, all the stances I have heard thus far regarding most of my family, friends, & neighbors, and in addition, the sheer meanness of the way in which these stances are expressed, that I cannot conceive of someone voting for them even if that voter agrees wth the fiscal policies being advocated by the GOP team.

With that, I am checking out of this distressing convo.

We were discussing the same thing at our house tonight. I cannot relate to the attitudes and the meanness either, yet I heard poll results that Romney was in the lead. I don't get why the U.S. is so different than Canada and much of Europe on these kinds of issues. Too bad Canada doesn't have any warm and sunny cities.

Eventually demographics will change things anyway in the U.S. for the better long term, either way.

[ApatheticNoMore]

We were discussing the same thing at our house tonight. I cannot relate to the attitudes and the meanness either, yet I heard poll results that Romney was in the lead. I don't get why the U.S. is so different than Canada and much of Europe on these kinds of issues.

On economic issues they are to the left of the U.S.. However, I think some of the differences are possibly differences between a multi-party parlimentary system, and a two party presidential system. Some of Europe's hard right parties are outright neo-Nazi and overtly racist (they are scarier in some ways than the worst elements of the Republican party), but they only pull in what they pull in and end up one party among many vying for the vote.

[iris lily]

I realized today that I am so totally horrified by the stances that Romney & Ryan take regarding women's health, especially abortion, as well as the stances on marriage equality, worker's rights, & immigration; in short, all the stances I have heard thus far regarding most of my family, friends, & neighbors, and in addition, the sheer meanness of the way in which these stances are expressed, that I cannot conceive of someone voting for them even if that voter agrees wth the fiscal policies being advocated by the GOP team.

With that, I am checking out of this distressing convo.

Fiscal responsibility trumps all for me.

I equate gun rights with abortion in my scale of voting issues, they are not at the top. The two issues are similar to me in that I want limitations to remain minimal even though I personally won't be using abortion or gun services. As long as there are avenues for reasonable people to obtain reasonable guns and abortions for reasonable situations, and that's what we have now in the U.S., I'm ok. All of the nattering of the past 30 years about these two issues haven't changed the essential fact that most people can get guns and abortions readily.