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iris lilies
5-28-22, 9:50am
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here you will see, behind the buckets of rock, the long iron piece I’ve been tripping over for 30 years in our city basement. Imagine my surprise to see it appear in our garage in Hermann! It’s served no useful purpose in the city it will serve no useful purpose in Hermann. But it will probably continue to trip me until I die.

Also we have about 10 buckets of gravel and rubble rock that DH is digging up from our Hermann yard and hauling back to the city to put into dumpsters. Really efficient, right?

Bless his heart, DH is the hardest worker you will ever meet. But sometimes I gotta wonder…

p.s. I will not entertain any smart Alec comment about this iron piece serving the useful purpose of tripping me! I’m smarter than it, and I will not let it defeat me or kill me.

JaneV2.0
5-28-22, 10:26am
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here you will see, behind the buckets of rock, the long iron piece I’ve been tripping over for 30 years in our city basement. Imagine my surprise to see it appear in our garage in Hermann! It’s served no useful purpose in the city it will serve no useful purpose in Hermann. But it will probably continue to trip me until I die.

Also we have about 10 buckets of gravel and rubble rock that DH is digging up from our Hermann yard and hauling back to the city to put into dumpsters. Really efficient, right?

Bless his heart, DH is the hardest worker you will ever meet. But sometimes I gotta wonder…

p.s. I will not entertain any smart Alec comment about this iron piece serving the useful purpose of tripping me! I’m smarter than it, and I will not let it defeat me or kill me.

Couldn't you just hang it on a wall with one of those clamp thingies people use for rakes and shovels, or a makeshift setup? You've probably considered that, but...

iris lilies
5-28-22, 10:38am
Couldn't you just hang it on a wall with one of those clamp thingies people use for rakes and shovels, or a makeshift setup? You've probably considered that, but...
I will suggest that to him, but I think it will be OK scooted over to the edge of the garage where it will live well beyond me. It is super heavy, and I asked him why he didn’t trade it in for scrap metal and he said “it’s too long. “. I do not understand why we have it.

ToomuchStuff
5-28-22, 11:00am
Find a welder and have them make it into something for your garden.

Longer items like that (long handled tools for me, crap for my dad), tend to be put in the rafters so it can be seen when needed, but not tripped over.

iris lilies
5-28-22, 11:46am
Find a welder and have them make it into something for your garden.

Longer items like that (long handled tools for me, crap for my dad), tend to be put in the rafters so it can be seen when needed, but not tripped over.
Our fancy dancy garage has a finished ceiling! There are no rafters! But our basement in the city had rafters yet it would not dwell there and I do not know why. But in those rafters were plenty of scrap pieces of lumber. I’m not sure how much of that scrap lumber will come to live in Hermann, it’s all a mystery to me.

Rogar
6-6-22, 5:29pm
A couple of days ago I was returning home after some outdoor recreation. The route takes me through a town of 500 and as you approach the town on the highway there is a warning of a reduced speed limit and then the actual speed limit sign. In another hundred yards there is a stop light, a T and then main street. Because of the stop light, T in the road and then a busy main street it is virtually impossible for a sane driver to speed into town. Well, I was tired and did not slow down fast enough. As the officer put it, I was going over the speed limit where he clocked me 40 yards into the reduced speed area, and issued a citation.

When I got home I googled and the town has a reputation for this and another speed trap. TripAdvisor called one of the worst speed traps in the country as a warning to travelers. The story is that a significant portion of the town's revenue comes from speeding tickets. Should I decide to plead a case in court, the courthouse is in the same town and I'd not expect much mercy. If I instead mail in the fine, they reduce the moving violation points from 4 to 2 on my license. I may just chalk it up to experience and pay.

ToomuchStuff
6-6-22, 6:23pm
A couple of days ago I was returning home after some outdoor recreation. The route takes me through a town of 500 and as you approach the town on the highway there is a warning of a reduced speed limit and then the actual speed limit sign. In another hundred yards there is a stop light, a T and then main street. Because of the stop light, T in the road and then a busy main street it is virtually impossible for a sane driver to speed into town. Well, I was tired and did not slow down fast enough. As the officer put it, I was going over the speed limit where he clocked me 40 yards into the reduced speed area, and issued a citation.

When I got home I googled and the town has a reputation for this and another speed trap. TripAdvisor called one of the worst speed traps in the country as a warning to travelers. The story is that a significant portion of the town's revenue comes from speeding tickets. Should I decide to plead a case in court, the courthouse is in the same town and I'd not expect much mercy. If I instead mail in the fine, they reduce the moving violation points from 4 to 2 on my license. I may just chalk it up to experience and pay.


I wonder if you have anything like this:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/the-town-that-lived-off-speeding-tickets

Randolph Missouri is/was a known speed trap. The state put a stop on it, as they weren't getting their part. (highway patrol threatening to arrest local LEO's issuing tickets on the highway).
Fortunately, I only went through there twice and no tickets, and since, found out I had a connection to the jail I didn't know.


Now, for my rant of the day. I think Waste Management has been watching too many trash mafia movies.

It sure would be a shame if you all couldn't use your dock to get deliveries:
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Yppej
6-6-22, 7:09pm
Waste Management is horrible. Their lobbyist donates to our mayor and then they don't have to do their job.

Rogar
6-6-22, 9:31pm
Randolph Missouri is/was a known speed trap. The state put a stop on it, as they weren't getting their part. (highway patrol threatening to arrest local LEO's issuing tickets on the highway).
Fortunately, I only went through there twice and no tickets, and since, found out I had a connection to the jail I didn't know.


Now, for my rant of the day. I think Waste Management has been watching too many trash mafia movies.

It sure would be a shame if you all couldn't use your dock to get deliveries:


I'm glad I am not the only one to be duped, but I'd don't know that that's much to be done about it. I'm sure people with more leverage than me have had the same experience. I hope your connection to the jail was not a bad one.

I use Waste Management is a matter of convenience, which is possibly a long explanation, but they are definitely a money grubbing mega company of which I have a pretty low opinion.

frugal-one
6-6-22, 9:44pm
Woman backed into my car today. Said her backup system did not work. Scraped and paint taken off... Told her she should not RELY on the backup but should look too. Could have been worse but still a bummer.

The police in my small community spend most of their time on the highway ticketing speeders... another place that is a speed trap.

iris lilies
6-11-22, 2:19pm
Bad news about our house inspection. The sewer line, put in 30 years ago, has dropped deep and so it will cost $18,000 to fix it. The buyer will go halfies with us. I guess we will accept that offer. Time to move on and get the sale done.

We already gave the buyers a sweet deal. On the other hand, they’ve been VERY cooperative And I do like that idea of selling to them. I suppose we could always say no, you eat the entire thing because we’re giving you a sweet deal on the price, and they might actually do that, eat the whole thing.

I am actually shocked that our Herman has not needed a complete new sewer line. I imagine that’s coming down the road. Every house we buy needs a new sewer and apparently, the house I live in in the city needs two new sewers! Yoinks.

catherine
6-11-22, 2:54pm
IL, that's a bummer, but I think you are making a right decision to split the cost with them. Seems like a reasonable compromise.

As for sewer issues, there is a house in our "neighborhood" (9 houses on one dead-end road) that sold last year. The guy LOVES it and would live there if he could; partner is an academic and bit more high maintenance--she wants her own bathroom in this small cabin. So they call out the experts to check out the septic/wetlands/etc. Long story short, with the wetlands and the grandfathered ancient septic system, if they want to tear down the house and rebuild on the site, they'll be paying $60-$70k for a mound system.

I think they're going to leave it as it is. The guy has come up for a week or so by himself. I'm thinking the partner is not so keen on "roughing it" without her own bathroom.

Nothing worse than spending $70k on something that doesn't even give you anything to show for it.

Teacher Terry
6-12-22, 2:34am
I also think that’s a reasonable compromise IL. Last year we got top dollar for the house so when it needed 24k in repairs I just took it off the price as I didn’t want to lose my condo. I am all for hitting the easy button.

iris lilies
6-12-22, 9:37am
I also think that’s a reasonable compromise IL. Last year we got top dollar for the house so when it needed 24k in repairs I just took it off the price as I didn’t want to lose my condo. I am all for hitting the easy button.
See, that’s what normally drives me. Just hit the easy button.


I got stuck on what a low price we set. Our real estate agent thought it was fine, but the city of St. Louis has our square footage way off. I’m remeasuring right now, but I think the city failed to update the records when we built the addition to this house. We did everything with permits and inspections, so the city certainly has the opportunity to change square footage.


But then as I’m telling him, and telling myself, it does not really matter. The money doesn’t matter. What kind of bites me a little bit is that we’re working harder and faster than we normally would to get out of this house to meet the buyers’ possession date. That’s the one sticking point, otherwise our buyers are reasonable. They’re already traveling around the neighborhood talking about “their” house and I am up for that. It will be their house and I like them And I’m glad they are excited by this property, even though they’re going to abandon my house to build a new one next-door!

ToomuchStuff
6-12-22, 10:13am
They’re already traveling around the neighborhood talking about “their” house and I am up for that. It will be their house and I like them And I’m glad they are excited by this property, even though they’re going to abandon my house to build a new one next-door!

What do you mean they are going to abandon your house?
Is this a short term purchase, where they will do the plumbing work, when they put the new sewer in for a house they are building next door? Then they will flip the house?

iris lilies
6-12-22, 10:23am
What do you mean they are going to abandon your house?
Is this a short term purchase, where they will do the plumbing work, when they put the new sewer in for a house they are building next door? Then they will flip the house?

They are planning to live in our house while they build a new house right next-door on the lot where my flower garden sits. I imagine they will sell my house when their new house is done. But all that will take a few years.

catherine
6-12-22, 10:53am
They are planning to live in our house while they build a new house right next-door on the lot where my flower garden sits. I imagine they will sell my house when their new house is done. But all that will take a few years.

See--your post is what instigated my thread about attachment. Good for you for liking the buyers, but I would really feel sad about their thinking that my house is just glamping for them while they destroy my lifelong garden. I get the sense that you have already let go of that attachment to the best you can.

iris lilies
6-12-22, 11:17am
See--your post is what instigated my thread about attachment. Good for you for liking the buyers, but I would really feel sad about their thinking that my house is just glamping for them while they destroy my lifelong garden. I get the sense that you have already let go of that attachment to the best you can.

i’m not sad that the new buyers won’t live in my house forever. Someone will live in it. The historic code protects it ever being torn down or changed substantially.

I live in an area where we have been pushing for development of this neighborhood for decades. By development we mean more buildings. More activity. More people, etc.

Even though some people think of my neighborhood as being focused on maintaining the past, and we certainly are dedicated to existing old buildings, we like infill housing that is appropriate. So, the fact that my flower garden will host the first new house on this side of my block in 145 years is exciting. It’s great! And it fits with my neighborhood’s plan.

that said, I hope someone lives here eventually who will appreciate the carpentry details that DH put in. I understand the kitchen cabinets probably won’t live here forever, even though I think they’re very nice and I love them. But there are certain things that will be with this house forever. As I sit here in my living room I see the built-in bookcases. The fireplace mantle that was handcrafted with fluted columns by DH. The windows have panel inserts that are not found in other gut rehab houses. There are carpentry details throughout this house that are unique. Oh right, the crown molding is spectacular!

catherine
6-12-22, 11:42am
I share that hope with you!

Tybee
6-12-22, 1:25pm
I admire you for adapting with the flow of life, IL. And I imagine that your house will end up with someone who loves it as much as you do, eventually.

iris lilies
6-12-22, 1:44pm
I admire you for adapting with the flow of life, IL. And I imagine that your house will end up with someone who loves it as much as you do, eventually.

I didn’t want to be one of those people who cry and ring my hands at the thought of my flower garden becoming the base for a new structure. I think that’s… Shortsighted. And not surprisingly, we have friends about our age who been in the neighborhood even longer than us who sold their house with two lots. They were adamant that their two lots and house must be sold together, their idea being that their two vacant lots would stay a “garden “forever even though they really cannot control that.

I just think that’s dumb. Especially considering they are big proponents of historic preservation and they know very well that their two lots once held houses 100 years ago .

iris lilies
6-12-22, 1:50pm
I will also add that 30 years ago when we bought one of our extra lots, the alderman was reluctant to sell it to us because at that time the idea was stronger that vacant lots need to be built on. But see, no one wanted to build here.


It took 30 years the new build market ro mature to the point where 90% of the vacant lots in my neighborhood are snapped up and built on, and now the rare ones like ours are attractive.

Teacher Terry
6-13-22, 3:05pm
Your house has some great features that someone will appreciate.

rosarugosa
6-14-22, 6:54am
There is much sadness in my town right now. I live beside a river, and this year a pair of bald eagles built a nest about 1/2 mile from my house. They had one eaglet, and the local photographers delighted us with many pictures of the family in the nest, parents feeding the eaglet, etc. We've seen the adults flying in the area, and gotten a few glimpses of them up in the nest when driving by (nest was in a residential neighborhood). Last night, the nest either fell down or was knocked down by raccoons or something, but the nest is down and the eaglet was found found dead on the ground beneath the tree. This makes me so sad.

catherine
6-14-22, 8:32am
There is much sadness in my town right now. I live beside a river, and this year a pair of bald eagles built a nest about 1/2 mile from my house. They had one eaglet, and the local photographers delighted us with many pictures of the family in the nest, parents feeding the eaglet, etc. We've seen the adults flying in the area, and gotten a few glimpses of them up in the nest when driving by (nest was in a residential neighborhood). Last night, the nest either fell down or was knocked down by raccoons or something, but the nest is down and the eaglet was found found dead on the ground beneath the tree. This makes me so sad.

Oh, that is so sad. I wonder what happened to the parents?

happystuff
6-14-22, 8:38am
That is so sad, rr.

rosarugosa
6-14-22, 9:54am
Oh, that is so sad. I wonder what happened to the parents?

People have reported seeing the parents in the area acting distressed.

Teacher Terry
6-14-22, 2:09pm
That’s so sad.

frugal-one
6-14-22, 3:49pm
Bummer rr!

Disgusted that I will HAVE to go shopping for a cell phone. It no longer makes sense to have a landline. The cost is now ridiculous. I hate the thought of having another thing to have to plug in and to lug around. Probably will just park it and check end of day or see if is DS. And, now I have to research the best plan... not looking forward to it. Must do by end of month. sigh

iris lilies
6-14-22, 6:00pm
Bummer rr!

Disgusted that I will HAVE to go shopping for a cell phone. It no longer makes sense to have a landline. The cost is now ridiculous. I hate the thought of having another thing to have to plug in and to lug around. Probably will just park it and check end of day or see if is DS. And, now I have to research the best plan... not looking forward to it. Must do by end of month. sigh
I feel your pain.

Soon, we are giving up the landline here, and while it is seldom used, I do like it for voice communications.

But I’m not going to carry mine around much more than I do now which is seldom. I DO find it indispensable for GPS guidance, tho.Even tho it dumped me off on a T in downtown Madison, WI recently with no further instruction (turn right? Turn left? I got SILENCE.) Madison is …crazy with the windy streets that confused even GPS.

And then in the fall I will have to get an updated IPhone because support for mine is ending. Fortunately, DH went through that already, and I’ll get the same model he got which is not very recent.

Rogar
6-14-22, 9:24pm
Bummer rr!

Disgusted that I will HAVE to go shopping for a cell phone. It no longer makes sense to have a landline. The cost is now ridiculous. I hate the thought of having another thing to have to plug in and to lug around. Probably will just park it and check end of day or see if is DS. And, now I have to research the best plan... not looking forward to it. Must do by end of month. sigh

My landline bill seems to go up even faster than inflation. The cost of a landline may seem ridiculous to some and there are few others such as myself that consider the cost of cell phones and service ridiculous. I'm keeping my landline but have my in expensive Tracfone for times away from home when it's needed. It seems like you can pay big money for one or the other, but both doesn't make sense. I think a lot of people would find that a Tracfone type service covers most of a persons basic needs. I use an iPad or laptop at home which seems far more convenient than looking at or typing on a small cell phone and other than the maps feature on cell phones I don't use much data on my phone. But I suspect I'm in the minority when it comes to cell phone use.

JaneV2.0
6-14-22, 11:15pm
I have a Tracfone Samsung A20. Other people I know are very happy with iPhones and Consumer Cellular.

Tybee
6-15-22, 7:20am
Frugal, we use Total Wireless and one of us has a Samsung and one an LG. It's been pretty budget friendly. We could do a two person plan for 60/month, but we like having our own, 35 a month. You can order the phones online and they send them to your house and it is very easy to set up.

frugal-one
6-15-22, 9:01am
My landline bill seems to go up even faster than inflation. The cost of a landline may seem ridiculous to some and there are few others such as myself that consider the cost of cell phones and service ridiculous. I'm keeping my landline but have my in expensive Tracfone for times away from home when it's needed. It seems like you can pay big money for one or the other, but both doesn't make sense. I think a lot of people would find that a Tracfone type service covers most of a persons basic needs. I use an iPad or laptop at home which seems far more convenient than looking at or typing on a small cell phone and other than the maps feature on cell phones I don't use much data on my phone. But I suspect I'm in the minority when it comes to cell phone use.

I was using Tracfone Smartphone but now has spots where it does not work…. places I routinely go. It tells me to call collect. WTH. It no longer is of value IMO. I recently was 1 mile from home and couldn’t call there. I, too, use my Ipad and laptop using home WIFI and also have MagicJack for calls. Just got the landline bill for $40/month. At this point it makes more sense to get a regular cell phone. YLMV

frugal-one
6-15-22, 9:07am
Frugal, we use Total Wireless and one of us has a Samsung and one an LG. It's been pretty budget friendly. We could do a two person plan for 60/month, but we like having our own, 35 a month. You can order the phones online and they send them to your house and it is very easy to set up.

I am going to check this out. I was told WalMart will help set up as well?? Our TX landlord uses there and also in WI with good results.

frugal-one
6-15-22, 9:09am
I feel your pain.

Soon, we are giving up the landline here, and while it is seldom used, I do like it for voice communications.

But I’m not going to carry mine around much more than I do now which is seldom. I DO find it indispensable for GPS guidance, tho.Even tho it dumped me off on a T in downtown Madison, WI recently with no further instruction (turn right? Turn left? I got SILENCE.) Madison is …crazy with the windy streets that confused even GPS.

And then in the fall I will have to get an updated IPhone because support for mine is ending. Fortunately, DH went through that already, and I’ll get the same model he got which is not very recent.


Which model was this?

ToomuchStuff
6-15-22, 9:58am
Bummer rr!

Disgusted that I will HAVE to go shopping for a cell phone. It no longer makes sense to have a landline. The cost is now ridiculous. I hate the thought of having another thing to have to plug in and to lug around. Probably will just park it and check end of day or see if is DS. And, now I have to research the best plan... not looking forward to it. Must do by end of month. sigh


Went through this don't know how many years back (posted about it here, then). Landline is more then 50% taxes, and you can no longer even get them. (they are not replacing the copper, not as good as service)
So when I needed a new cell phone for work, I kept my old phone number from my first cell (last bill was $40 a year), and transferred it to an OOMA service at around $7 a month. That way I didn't have to update all the emergency contact numbers. IMHO, voip service is probably 70% as good as landline. Unfortunately, they are designed more to work with wireless phones. (hate seeing all the wasted landline jacks around the house)

Tybee
6-15-22, 10:33am
I am going to check this out. I was told WalMart will help set up as well?? Our TX landlord uses there and also in WI with good results.

Yes, Walmart carries Total and will help with set up.

This is their website; the last 2 phones I have purchased I have bought from the website. Service is fine, and I have also returned phones with no problem.

https://www.totalwireless.com/

iris lilies
6-15-22, 12:53pm
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Which model was this?

It is an Apple iPhone, model SE.


It still cost a few hundred dollars.

Teacher Terry
6-15-22, 4:05pm
I have prepaid cell phone for 15/month flat fee from T-Mobile. Unlimited talk and text with 3gb of data which is more than I use.

frugal-one
6-15-22, 9:20pm
It is an Apple iPhone, model SE.


It still cost a few hundred dollars.

Probably will have better antivirus than Android phones??? I love my iPad and Apple laptop.

ToomuchStuff
6-15-22, 11:21pm
I have prepaid cell phone for 15/month flat fee from T-Mobile. Unlimited talk and text with 3gb of data which is more than I use.


What is your plan called?
I am on T-mobile for $18 a month, unlimited talk and text with 2gb of data.

Tybee
6-16-22, 8:58am
What is your plan called?
I am on T-mobile for $18 a month, unlimited talk and text with 2gb of data.

Wow, I need to look at Team Mobile plans!

iris lilies
6-16-22, 9:00am
Probably will have better antivirus than Android phones??? I love my iPad and Apple laptop.
I dont know.

We are stuck with AT&T because it’s the only one that gives reliable service in Hermann. Something about the hills and valleys, and AT&T signals go high and deep, when compared to the other guys who go broader but they don’t dip into valleys.

Tybee
6-16-22, 10:45am
Okay, looked at the coverage map and my little house is excluded when you hone in on the area. It says I have only partner coverage, which would be spotty.

frugal-one
6-16-22, 9:10pm
Went to Costco today and 2 year contract with TMobile gets you an Apple SE iPhone at 1/2 off plus a hefty discount for those over 55. Will go to WalMart tomorrow to check another's suggestion. Coverage map looks to be the best for the price, so far.

Teacher Terry
6-17-22, 12:13pm
TMS, It’s their prepaid plan.

ToomuchStuff
6-18-22, 12:48pm
TMS, It’s their prepaid plan.

Double check that, as that is what I have.

Alan
6-18-22, 1:00pm
I have prepaid cell phone for 15/month flat fee from T-Mobile. Unlimited talk and text with 3gb of data which is more than I use.


What is your plan called?
I am on T-mobile for $18 a month, unlimited talk and text with 2gb of data.


TMS, It’s their prepaid plan.


Double check that, as that is what I have.

They advertise the plan TT mentioned although not flat fee, taxes & fees added. Perhaps it is an older plan which is now grandfathered?
Connect by T-Mobile: Prepaid Phone Plans Starting at $10/mo | T-Mobile Prepaid (https://prepaid.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans/connect?cmpid=MTPR_PG_P_22CNTTMO10_437000700741185 37_&gclid=96cf3497b42b13bf05be5639b76a22d5&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=96cf3497b42b13bf05be5639b76a22d5)

ToomuchStuff
6-18-22, 1:18pm
They advertise the plan TT mentioned although not flat fee, taxes & fees added. Perhaps it is an older plan which is now grandfathered?
Connect by T-Mobile: Prepaid Phone Plans Starting at $10/mo | T-Mobile Prepaid (https://prepaid.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans/connect?cmpid=MTPR_PG_P_22CNTTMO10_437000700741185 37_&gclid=96cf3497b42b13bf05be5639b76a22d5&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=96cf3497b42b13bf05be5639b76a22d5)

Going by the link, when I click on it, it appears plans may be location dependent. That doesn't even show my plan, only a $10 plan and a $35 plan.
Thanks to both of you. I hate the idea of overspending on the er, phone.

frugal-one
7-2-22, 1:33pm
Ended up going to TMobile and getting an iPhone SE generation 3 phone half price and used the 55+ discount for service. Added son to account. Just did this but so far like the phone. It is similar to using my iPad so not a big learning curve. Tried using the phone in places I could not get service previously and so far, so good. Will check out putting TMobile app on phone based on CS guy in the store who said they provide free roadside service for the car???

Teacher Terry
7-9-22, 11:35am
I have had my plan about 6 months. It maybe location specific.

frugal-one
7-9-22, 3:07pm
Good to see you back.. TT.

Teacher Terry
7-9-22, 5:58pm
Thanks frugal one! I went to Ireland for vacation and got Covid so been busy the past 3 weeks:)).

rosarugosa
7-9-22, 6:08pm
I'm so sorry you got Covid! Did you still manage to have a good trip?

Teacher Terry
7-9-22, 6:58pm
Rosa, I got Covid halfway through the trip so missed half of it. I had to spend 8 days isolated in a hotel room before the tour company would fly me home. Ireland has no official restrictions but followed the guidelines recommended by the county I was in when I said I was sick and tested.

When others saw what happened to me they didn’t test and stayed on the tour. It’s disappointing of course because it’s a expensive tour and only 8 days of sightseeing since you lose a day and half each way with travel. So I was only on the tour for 4 days.

iris lilies
7-10-22, 12:08am
Rosa, I got Covid halfway through the trip so missed half of it. I had to spend 8 days isolated in a hotel room before the tour company would fly me home. Ireland has no official restrictions but followed the guidelines recommended by the county I was in when I said I was sick and tested.

When others saw what happened to me they didn’t test and stayed on the tour. It’s disappointing of course because it’s a expensive tour and only 8 days of sightseeing since you lose a day and half each way with travel. So I was only on the tour for 4 days.
Oh nooooooo! This is a fear of mine, getting Covid while overseas.

we are glad you are back and survived. How are you feeling now?

rosarugosa
7-10-22, 6:33am
I hope it was at least a nice hotel room? I can think of worse things than being stuck in a luxurious hotel room, although I'm sure it would still be frustrating.

happystuff
7-10-22, 9:05am
Oh, tt. So sorry for you getting covid and missing so much of your trip. I hope you were able to create some great memories on the part of the tour you were able to participate in. Glad you are home and doing better!

Teacher Terry
7-10-22, 1:15pm
It was a really nice hotel with a huge room. Room service only had 4 main courses so I ate a lot of the same thing. Plus I am a fussy eater. The staff went to the pharmacy twice for me since I couldn’t leave. I was worried about getting really sick and dying without anyone knowing so had them get me a oximeter so I could keep track of my oxygen level because I also have asthma. I didn’t get super sick. I am still exhausted.

frugal-one
7-10-22, 2:51pm
Sorry to hear tt! Glad to hear you are home and hope you feel better soon.

sweetana3
7-12-22, 4:30pm
Our city redid a downtown street and just got around to painting the strips and signs on it. However, they put right turn only right before two streets that are one way going left. They may PLAN on having the street two way in the future but, as I told them, it is not yet two way.

In addition, they just finished tearing out and redoing a complex corner to add "better" handicapped access and just today, they were tearing it out again. I feel for the poor dental office that has had its front door inaccessible for days.

Just got their answer: The right turn was meant for the little street (really an alley) but they painted it so the arrow is at the end of the street and not before the street.

iris lilies
7-14-22, 11:08am
Our city redid a downtown street and just got around to painting the strips and signs on it. However, they put right turn only right before two streets that are one way going left. They may PLAN on having the street two way in the future but, as I told them, it is not yet two way.

In addition, they just finished tearing out and redoing a complex corner to add "better" handicapped access and just today, they were tearing it out again. I feel for the poor dental office that has had its front door inaccessible for days.

Just got their answer: The right turn was meant for the little street (really an alley) but they painted it so the arrow is at the end of the street and not before the street.


If this sign confuses you, a native, it will confuse out of towners. Not a good thing.

iris lilies
7-14-22, 11:11am
Here’s a tiny rant: I arrived in Hermann with two crockpots. My philosophy is: I’m not keeping anything as a back up. So I mentally flipped a coin and donated one of the crockpots to our local church that firnishes household goods for newly housed people. Both of them came from thrift stores so I don’t know how old either one of them was.


Well I’ll be damned, last night the one I decided to keep stopped working.It just stopped working.


I do have a crockpot in our condo so I will get that one. So ironic though isn’t it?


Crockpots are not hard to find at a thrift stores however so I’ll give me something to look forward to go into one.

rosarugosa
7-15-22, 6:44am
Here’s a tiny rant: I arrived in Hermann with two crockpots. My philosophy is: I’m not keeping anything as a back up. So I mentally flipped a coin and donated one of the crockpots to our local church that firnishes household goods for newly housed people. Both of them came from thrift stores so I don’t know how old either one of them was.


Well I’ll be damned, last night the one I decided to keep stopped working.It just stopped working.


I do have a crockpot in our condo so I will get that one. So ironic though isn’t it?


Crockpots are not hard to find at a thrift stores however so I’ll give me something to look forward to go into one.

Oh no! That's actually pretty funny in a way.

iris lilies
7-15-22, 9:17am
Oh no! That's actually pretty funny in a way.
I know, funny-ironic.

And have I told you about the double bad sewers? We are paying for TWO new sewers. One was at our house of 33 years we just sold. The sewer scope showed a bulging bad place.$18,000 to fix. We split this cost with buyers.
This is extra annoying because it is not an old sewer, it is only 33 years old.

The second sewer we are paying for is a complete tear up and re-do of the 100 year old sewer system of my condo building. Total cost $150,000 so far that we know. My share is only $2,000 though.

JaneV2.0
7-29-22, 3:29pm
I just spent nearly TWO HOURS on the phone trying to get AT&T to initiate paperless billing on my account. I talked to four different people--one of whom told me they don't service Washington state. Their website was no better--it kept telling me my account didn't exist. in the end, I canceled my service with a fifth person. Took about five minutes. I'm surprised I didn't have a cardiovascular event.

Yppej
7-29-22, 3:53pm
I hated AT&T. I always got offshored call center reps. A year before 3G was going away they starting shutting off my phone all the time and I had to call and listen to a sales pitch from these English challenged hacks to get it turned back on for 15 days or so, when they did it again, trying to sell me a new phone.

So I switched to Consumer Cellular. I have an AT&T sim card so it's the same reception but I deal with US based representatives who are good.

JaneV2.0
7-30-22, 2:29pm
I hated AT&T. I always got offshored call center reps. A year before 3G was going away they starting shutting off my phone all the time and I had to call and listen to a sales pitch from these English challenged hacks to get it turned back on for 15 days or so, when they did it again, trying to sell me a new phone.

So I switched to Consumer Cellular. I have an AT&T sim card so it's the same reception but I deal with US based representatives who are good.

As it turned out, I called my local land line provider (Ziply), talked to a US-based rep, and had my new long-distance service within minutes, saving 30-some dollars in the process. I currently have Tracfone, but if I should change providers, I would choose CC.

Tradd
7-30-22, 2:40pm
I just spent nearly TWO HOURS on the phone trying to get AT&T to initiate paperless billing on my account. I talked to four different people--one of whom told me they don't service Washington state. Their website was no better--it kept telling me my account didn't exist. in the end, I canceled my service with a fifth person. Took about five minutes. I'm surprised I didn't have a cardiovascular event.

My cell service is with Boom Mobile, which resells Verizon and T Mobile service. I get a really great rate by buying service a year at a time. You should check them out. Similar to Mint Mobile.

Boom has US based reps.

JaneV2.0
7-30-22, 3:04pm
Should I change providers, a priority will definitely be US-based customer service! And no circular automated phone lines.

Tradd
7-31-22, 5:28pm
I told my landlord 2.5 months ago that I was going to be gone Aug 3-10 so he could replace the broken furnace while I was gone. He now tells me he wasn’t able to find someone and it will get done later. I am PISSED because I’ve moved a ton of stuff in the LR so there would be room to move furnace out and new one in. It will get done before the winter, but I’m just peeved. It’s very nice to have the decluttered LR. Even three weeks ago he was saying it would be done. I totally get about tradesmen cancelling and stuff but he could have told me earlier. My rent is cheap and there are occasional things like this.

sweetana3
7-31-22, 6:56pm
Habitat for Humanity here has had lumber and roof truss companies just not deliver or even promise an exact deliver date and blow it off with no contact. Windows were ordered and at the last minute Habitat was told it "might" be another month. The whole system has broken down.

iris lilies
7-31-22, 7:47pm
Habitat for Humanity here has had lumber and roof truss companies just not deliver or even promise an exact deliver date and blow it off with no contact. Windows were ordered and at the last minute Habitat was told it "might" be another month. The whole system has broken down.

I feel fortunate that our home renovation project in Herman kept chugging along despite delays, shortages, and ridiculously high prices.

Greg44
8-1-22, 12:01am
Kamala Harris' voice - just grinds on me to have to listen to her! It is a deal breaker - could never vote for her

Way over priced food at the ball park - eat before I go

Soda pop that you have to drink out of a plastic bottle - it just doesn't taste as good and gets warmer quicker - fountain drinks only

frugal-one
8-1-22, 5:32pm
Nearly had a heart attack today. Was going down a street where cars are parked all along. A jogger RAN OUT in front of me. I slammed on the brakes and was inches from her. The stupid idiot ran out between parked cars. Thankfully my reflexes were good. Have to confess I was shaking after that.

iris lilies
8-1-22, 6:00pm
Nearly had a heart attack today. Was going down a street where cars are parked all along. A jogger RAN OUT in front of me. I slammed on the brakes and was inches from her. The stupid idiot ran out between parked cars. Thankfully my reflexes were good. Have to confess I was shaking after that.
That is horribly scary!

SiouzQ.
8-15-22, 9:02pm
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Chipping away at this nightmare with no end, an unwanted side effect of a robust monsoon season. This is all pollinating ragweed and I am dying of an allergy attack here. Kicking myself for not pulling all this out over a month ago when it would have been easier, except it was raining every day. And then there are the bugs...they love me to no end and I have itchy bites everywhere in spite of covering myself up and using bug repellent. Sometimes the idea of a suburban lawn is pretty attractive...

pinkytoe
8-15-22, 9:56pm
Not being able to find or being stood up by landscape or home repair companies is my current rant. I have two ailing trees in my back yard and if they don't get worked on before winter, they will end up on my roof. Actually had one company say they are so busy with tree work, that they can't even make an estimate for another month and then two months after that for the actual work. So many shysters too out there.

happystuff
8-18-22, 5:45pm
One more week and school starts. Teachers are in and "prepping" their rooms. The amount of garbage and recycle we are taking out every night is unbelievable! The number of things that could be donated but are just being thrown in the dumpster is unbelievable! We have a staging area actually on the stage of things teachers don't want and/or can take. It won't be long before whatever is left is tossed. Meanwhile, they are all on the phone trying to order new... things!

Yppej
8-18-22, 7:32pm
A teacher in California called the cops on a four year old for not wearing a mask.

iris lilies
8-18-22, 8:07pm
A teacher in California called the cops on a four year old for not wearing a mask.
That doesnt sound real.

Yppej
8-18-22, 9:02pm
That doesnt sound real.

Mountain View, CA.

Video:

https://youtu.be/NvrtwcG_mjk

I guess the liberals don't want to defund the police when they take on four year olds.

iris lilies
8-18-22, 10:20pm
Mountain View, CA.

Video:

https://youtu.be/NvrtwcG_mjk


I guess the liberals don't want to defund the police when they take on four year olds.

Did she call the cops? Or did the father call the cops? She might’ve called the dad to come and get his little boy or else put a mask on him and make sure he wears a mask.

This looks to me like a situation where an adult man, the father if this child, wants to make a big hairy deal about it and the cops are involved, likely by him, unless the teacher called the cops because the father was being belligerent.

iris lilies
8-19-22, 2:06am
And no responsible person wants to defund the police, that was just shouting and silly blather. I checked on the Twin Cities a couple days ago and surprise (not) they have the same police force they had before, only they’re experiencing the same attrition that all large city police departments are experiencing because Morale is quite low. People who want to defund the police are, in a way, getting their wish because there are many fewer police officers on the street and responding to crime.

We had a unusual break-in in our condo building. You know, the one that’s “secure? “ A middle-aged black man who doesn’t live here came in at 11:30 at night, Opening the door with a key. Then he went into the big common room and closed those doors and stayed there all night leaving at 8:30 in the morning. All this was caught a security camera.

That very shocking for this group of mostly older people who consider this building safe.

I suggested to DH that he and a couple of other men in the building run shifts of 2 to 3 hours each where they sit in front of the glass entry door with a shotgun on their knees. No need for bullets, leave the bullets upstairs in the condos. Just sit there in front of the glass doors with a long gun. That intruder will immediately understand that message when he comes up to the glass doors.

I do think we will see more of what some people here consider vigilante actions but I consider common sense security measures because the criminals have overwhelmed the system designed to keep them in check here.

Yppej
8-19-22, 4:56am
Did she call the cops? Or did the father call the cops? She might’ve called the dad to come and get his little boy or else put a mask on him and make sure he wears a mask.

This looks to me like a situation where an adult man, the father if this child, wants to make a big hairy deal about it and the cops are involved, likely by him, unless the teacher called the cops because the father was being belligerent.

The teacher called the cops. There is a less edited version on Twitter but I couldn't figure out how to post the link. The child is less blurred out. You can't see his face but can see his hair.

rosarugosa
8-19-22, 6:13am
One more week and school starts. Teachers are in and "prepping" their rooms. The amount of garbage and recycle we are taking out every night is unbelievable! The number of things that could be donated but are just being thrown in the dumpster is unbelievable! We have a staging area actually on the stage of things teachers don't want and/or can take. It won't be long before whatever is left is tossed. Meanwhile, they are all on the phone trying to order new... things!

I hate it when people trash perfectly good items that could be used/donated. On our local Facebook giving page, a lot of people post that an item "must be taken today or it goes in the trash tomorrow," or similar, when they are perfectly good items and we have both a Salvation Army and a Savers right in our town.

Yppej
8-19-22, 10:44am
IL, Vincent Alabama dissolved their police department:

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/07/1116221784/vincent-alabama-racist-text-police

The Libertarians got rid of the police in Croyden, NH:

https://www.insider.com/police-chief-fired-stripped-down-to-his-underwear-walked-out-2020-2

Blandford, Massachusetts is also referenced in the Croyden story. They didn't replace their police when they all resigned.

early morning
8-19-22, 10:57am
rr, that's a pet peeve of mine (and a reason I am sometimes slow to divest stuff). I simply refuse to add things to the trash that have lots of useful life left! Nor will I usually buy a new item until options for getting a used one have been pretty much exhausted. I even use broken toys and other misc stuff in my flower beds at times (I have wrecked warbirds- hey, if it's going to look like a war-zone anyway, dratted weeds!!- ceramic houses, a large metal dragon...). In my mom's town, most people had a habit of setting out big stuff before trash day, and much of it was picked up by all and sundry, including me. My mom's neighbors used to intentionally break their kids multitude of toys before putting them out on the curb for the trash -big riding toys, kitchen sets, and so on. Made me sick, and I finally told them so. They said they were SHOCKED that we thought they were doing that - but stopped, and the stuff started to disappear before the trash man got to it. Of course they also refused to recycle anything, when their curbside recycling was free, so there ya go. Anyway, I guess I'm just trashy-minded, lol!

early morning
8-19-22, 11:06am
jeppy, there's some serious discussions going on about the effectiveness of small police departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/19/tiny-police-uvalde/

Most police departments in the small rural communities around here have been abolished in the past 25 years, and the sheriff's department has taken over the policing role. There has been no uptick in crime that seems to be linked to that, the communities are paying less for policing, and the citizens I've spoken to have seemed just fine with it. And none of it had anything to do with "defunding the police" as it is now being discussed. Sometimes, it just makes sense.

Having known plenty of rural cops, some good, some awful - I can sort of see both sides of the policing argument. My cousin was formerly married to an officer on a township force, and he was a nasty racist brutal bastard. And his much more decent co-officers covered his crap for years, which makes me wary of the ability of departments, especially small ones, to self-regulate. I want police - and I want THEM to be accountable.

Yppej
8-20-22, 2:09am
That doesnt sound real.

It is now being reported in the San Francisco Chronicle if that is mainstream enough for you, but there's a paywall.

The four year old has sensory issues and is exempt from wearing masks by his doctors, but the school refuses to acknowledge this because he has not had a school evaluation. He can't get the school evaluation without wearing a mask.

Cruelty to disabled children is now politically correct.

iris lilies
8-20-22, 8:58am
It is now being reported in the San Francisco Chronicle if that is mainstream enough for you, but there's a paywall.

The four year old has sensory issues and is exempt from wearing masks by his doctors, but the school refuses to acknowledge this because he has not had a school evaluation. He can't get the school evaluation without wearing a mask.

Cruelty to disabled children is now politically correct.

If this issue truly has been up the chain in the school, and they are being very stupid, agreed.

JaneV2.0
8-20-22, 10:55am
Bureaucracies with inflexible rules (likely provided over by martinets) are best avoided, IMO.
And people wonder why I champion homeschooling.

frugal-one
8-20-22, 1:58pm
I don't know. How many people have the training or are smart enough to homeschool? We have a neighbor who homeschooled her DD and DD is now in her 20s and socially inept. I have not looked at the stats (probably because I don't really care).

frugal-one
8-20-22, 2:10pm
Dislike when extra verbiage is added when it is not necessary. Should say what you mean in a concise manner IMO. I wonder if "they" think it makes them look smarter when, in fact, it is just irritating.

JaneV2.0
8-20-22, 3:12pm
I don't know. How many people have the training or are smart enough to homeschool? We have a neighbor who homeschooled her DD and DD is now in her 20s and socially inept. I have not looked at the stats (probably because I don't really care).

It's a moot point for me, obviously, but I want the option. My sister home schooled her stepdaughter for several years with great success. I suppose it didn't hurt that they are both highly-intelligent, curious individuals. Social ineptitude has never been a concern of mine. :~)

Tradd
8-20-22, 4:35pm
I don't know. How many people have the training or are smart enough to homeschool? We have a neighbor who homeschooled her DD and DD is now in her 20s and socially inept. I have not looked at the stats (probably because I don't really care).

Did the neighbor keep her DD locked up or did she get out with other kids for sports, hobby clubs, church youth group, etc.?

mschrisgo2
8-20-22, 6:21pm
There are plenty of socially inept kids coming out of public schools, too. More than ever before. Just saying.
mostly, IMO, because they spend much of their out of school time online gaming.

JaneV2.0
8-20-22, 8:09pm
There are plenty of socially inept kids coming out of public schools, too. More than ever before. Just saying. mostly, IMO, because they spend much of their out of school time online gaming.

It's been decades since I was around public schools, but I don't remember them turning out hordes of notably sharp, creative free thinkers or socially-aware citizens, either. I think the goal is well-behaved workers with a basic education. Maybe they're hip to what passes for social cues these days, but you can pick that up on Tik Tok.

ETA: The girl may very well have just been an introvert, or on the autism spectrum. We're not all the same.

Yppej
8-21-22, 7:11am
I have found homeschooled kids well educated but sheltered. That's not a bad thing these days with everything out there, including people who say there is nothing wrong with being "minor attracted" AKA a pedophile.

frugal-one
8-21-22, 9:08am
I don't know. How many people have the training or are smart enough to homeschool? We have a neighbor who homeschooled her DD and DD is now in her 20s and socially inept. I have not looked at the stats (probably because I don't really care).

This was a 2-pronged response. This is as important as the first IMO.

Yppej
8-21-22, 10:23am
I know many educated, licensed teachers assigned classes outside their specialty who took the books home the night before so they could learn what they were supposed to teach the next day. Homeschool teachers do this too. There is nothing wrong with modeling learning.

The problem is people who think they know it all based on outdated credentials, who don't bother to keep up to date with new developments/curricula. The people on my Board of Health are like this. Ordinary citizens are much more informed than they are because they got their ticket stamped decades ago and are now stuck in time.

frugal-one
8-21-22, 8:49pm
I know many educated, licensed teachers assigned classes outside their specialty who took the books home the night before so they could learn what they were supposed to teach the next day. Homeschool teachers do this too. There is nothing wrong with modeling learning.

The problem is people who think they know it all based on outdated credentials, who don't bother to keep up to date with new developments/curricula. The people on my Board of Health are like this. Ordinary citizens are much more informed than they are because they got their ticket stamped decades ago and are now stuck in time.

malarkey

Yppej
8-21-22, 9:42pm
malarkey

You haven't attended the Board of Health meetings but you know more than the people who did. Yeah right. You think someone who's so old he falls asleep at a meeting is effective? Even Biden isn't that bad.

I bet you haven't followed the news either about the abysmal failures of the CDC. They're finally following the Great Barrington Declaration. We are vindicated. Public health officials were wrong, and we were right all along. I get that you're bitter and angry about it, and that your big ego prevents you from admitting your mistakes. Hard to admit you gutted the economy, education and young people's mental health, spiking suicide attempts and drug abuse, closing down drug treatment programs people needed, and leading to a bunch of overdose deaths. Blood is on your hands. We will never forget what was done to us and the weak people like you who were apologists for it.

frugal-one
8-22-22, 8:56am
unrelated ramblings

Yppej
8-22-22, 12:28pm
unrelated ramblings

Which are so interesting to you that you just can't resist responding. As Eminem says, "It's so empty without me".

frugal-one
8-22-22, 2:56pm
Yup. It is better to keep you blocked.

Yppej
8-22-22, 5:16pm
Yup. It is better to keep you blocked.

Last famous words. Your curiosity will get the better of you because your life is boring without me.

iris lilies
8-22-22, 5:24pm
Last famous words. Your curiosity will get the better of you because your life is boring without me.
And speaking of which, I saw a YouTube clip of a woman who was dragged out of a bank because she wasn’t wearing a mask and she would not put one on. She wanted to pull her money out of the bank because the bank had the rule that customers inside had to wear a mask.

Tradd
8-22-22, 5:36pm
Last famous words. Your curiosity will get the better of you because your life is boring without me.

That’s funny as hell. Some of us have interesting enough lives without you.

:devil:

Yppej
8-22-22, 6:24pm
And speaking of which, I saw a YouTube clip of a woman who was dragged out of a bank because she wasn’t wearing a mask and she would not put one on. She wanted to pull her money out of the bank because the bank had the rule that customers inside had to wear a mask.

Good for her. She's a modern day Henry David Thoreau.

iris lilies
8-22-22, 10:22pm
Good for her. She's a modern day Henry David Thoreau.
I don’t think so but whatever. She was factually incorrect because she kept shouting she wasn’t required to wear a mask in a public place, all the while the bank cop reminded her that she was not in a public place. It was a privately owned institution.

Yppej
8-23-22, 5:23am
I don’t think so but whatever. She was factually incorrect because she kept shouting she wasn’t required to wear a mask in a public place, all the while the bank cop reminded her that she was not in a public place. It was a privately owned institution.

They can't seize her assets like that. She should be able to withdraw her money and close her account.

iris lilies
8-23-22, 8:28am
They can't seize her assets like that. She should be able to withdraw her money and close her account.
Oh please. “ Seizing her assets” is overly dramatic When the bank is simply keeping the money exactly where it’s always been.

Besides, the cop told her all she had to do was put on a mask to do business and she could withdraw her money.

Yppej
8-23-22, 8:51am
Oh please. “ Seizing her assets” is overly dramatic When the bag is simply keeping the money exactly where it’s always been.

Besides, the cop told her all she had to do was put on a mask to do business and she could withdraw her money.

If you can't access it, it's seized. Just like Trudeau seized the assets of protestors in Canada.

herbgeek
8-23-22, 11:48am
If you can't access it
There are multiple ways to get to your money besides physically going into a bank.

Yppej
8-23-22, 12:11pm
Comparisons of states (like Florida) and countries (like Sweden) without mask mandates have shown no difference in covid outcomes. So at what point are people going to stop forcing others to do something that has no logical basis and is discriminatory?

It's like in the olden days when some people thought blacks had cooties and they couldn't come into places of business, or had to use a separate entrance.

Just stop already!

Even in private places there should not be discrimination in public accommodations.

JaneV2.0
8-23-22, 12:25pm
Both Florida and Sweden have had more COVID casualties per capita than their neighbors. I'm not sure how that's a victory for anyone.

Yppej
8-23-22, 2:03pm
Both Florida and Sweden have had more COVID casualties per capita than their neighbors. I'm not sure how that's a victory for anyone.

Sweden, quoting World Health Organization figures on excess deaths:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/swedens-death-rate-among-lowest-europe-despite-avoiding-strict/

Florida is disproportionately elderly. Even so, here's a comparison with California, one of the strictest states, in which there is no significant difference:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-05-07/california-versus-florida-a-covid-reckoning

rosarugosa
8-23-22, 2:21pm
There are multiple ways to get to your money besides physically going into a bank.

I know - does anyone actually go to the bank anymore to make a withdrawal?

JaneV2.0
8-23-22, 3:08pm
Sweden, quoting World Health Organization figures on excess deaths:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/swedens-death-rate-among-lowest-europe-despite-avoiding-strict/

Florida is disproportionately elderly. Even so, here's a comparison with California, one of the strictest states, in which there is no significant difference:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-05-07/california-versus-florida-a-covid-reckoning

I agree with this:
“The lesson from Sweden is to invest in your population's health and have less inequality,” Prof Devi Sridhar, the chairman of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, told The Telegraph.

***************

"But in the context of the Covid pandemic, another takeaway might be that Florida’s health outcomes haven’t been any worse relative to California’s than they usually are. The “DeSantis doctrine” on Covid has been defined as protecting the elderly while letting the young take risks, and that seems to have been pretty much what the state’s policies delivered."

There were signs that Florida was cooking COVID numbers early in the pandemic. That said, though both your examples did somewhat worse than comparable areas (Sweden much worse than other Nordic countries), the final outcome was awful everywhere.

If I were younger, sporting my original robust immune system, maybe I'd be as sanguine as you are about catching COVID.

Yppej
8-23-22, 3:20pm
I know - does anyone actually go to the bank anymore to make a withdrawal?

Me! Me! Me!

Yppej
8-23-22, 3:25pm
I agree with this:
“The lesson from Sweden is to invest in your population's health and have less inequality,” Prof Devi Sridhar, the chairman of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, told The Telegraph.

***************

"But in the context of the Covid pandemic, another takeaway might be that Florida’s health outcomes haven’t been any worse relative to California’s than they usually are. The “DeSantis doctrine” on Covid has been defined as protecting the elderly while letting the young take risks, and that seems to have been pretty much what the state’s policies delivered."

There were signs that Florida was cooking COVID numbers early in the pandemic. That said, though both your examples did somewhat worse than comparable areas (Sweden much worse than other Nordic countries), the final outcome was awful everywhere.

If I were younger, sporting my original robust immune system, maybe I'd be as sanguine as you are about catching COVID.

I didn't realize you were so frail. Queen Elizabeth in her 90's, Biden frail and nearing 80, Fauci in his 80's, Pelosi, many other elderly people have had covid and it's been like the cold or a flu.

Now there are severely immunocompromised people like Colin Powell who was undergoing cancer treatment and who died, but one thing we've discovered in the pandemic is that a lot of people think they're immunocompromised and they're not. They don't understand the term. An example would be a former coworker of mine in his 20's, participated in sports, very active lifestyle, but was all worried about working in person because he has Crohn's disease which is a digestive disorder.

herbgeek
8-23-22, 4:49pm
because he has Crohn's disease which is a digestive disorder.

Crohn's is an autoimmune disease. Your coworker had every reason to be concerned.

Alan
8-23-22, 4:57pm
Crohn's is an autoimmune disease.
Not exactly, it may trigger the body's immune system but I don't think it's classified as an autoimmune disease.

herbgeek
8-23-22, 5:04pm
I don't think it's classified as an autoimmune disease.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/crohns-disease

catherine
8-23-22, 5:12pm
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/crohns-disease

That's what I would have guessed.

"Crohn's disease is a chronic, inflammatory disease of the gastrointestinal tract. It is an autoimmune disorder, meaning your body's immune system mistakenly attacks healthy tissue in your body."

Alan
8-23-22, 5:39pm
Not exactly, it may trigger the body's immune system but I don't think it's classified as an autoimmune disease.


https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/crohns-disease
As I understand it there are differing opinions within the medical community as the body's response doesn't target the patient's body, as an autoimmune disorder would, but is limited to bacteria within the gastrointestinal tract. The Crohn's & Colitis Foundation simply refers to it as an IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease).

I would think that in any discussion of immunocompromised systems, it wouldn't be considered an autoimmune disease. But maybe that's just me.

JaneV2.0
8-23-22, 7:38pm
I didn't realize you were so frail. Queen Elizabeth in her 90's, Biden frail and nearing 80, Fauci in his 80's, Pelosi, many other elderly people have had covid and it's been like the cold or a flu.

Now there are severely immunocompromised people like Colin Powell who was undergoing cancer treatment and who died, but one thing we've discovered in the pandemic is that a lot of people think they're immunocompromised and they're not. They don't understand the term. An example would be a former coworker of mine in his 20's, participated in sports, very active lifestyle, but was all worried about working in person because he has Crohn's disease which is a digestive disorder.

I guess we won't know how frail I am until I'm tested, will we? :D

Yppej
8-23-22, 7:48pm
I guess we won't know how frail I am until I'm tested, will we? :D

Well if you suffer respiratory distress doing ordinary tasks in your everyday life that would be a pretty good indication since covid is a respiratory virus.

Early on the mother of a coworker of mine died of covid. He was not surprised because she was elderly, in a nursing home, and had COPD.

The media has largely ignored risk stratification and tried to scare everyone, ditto public health.

frugal-one
8-23-22, 8:30pm
IMO we should all be worried about contracting covid if for no other reason ... the possibility of long term effects. Those who are not concerned are foolish. Just saw that 229,000 people in the US died so far this year from covid. It is not over.

ToomuchStuff
8-23-22, 10:58pm
They can't seize her assets like that. She should be able to withdraw her money and close her account.

Drive through.

What my credit union, and the bank we use for work, have been doing for everything, pretty much the whole pandemic.


I know - does anyone actually go to the bank anymore to make a withdrawal?

I go make the night deposits, change orders, etc. Then for my personal use, I go to deposit my checks, get cash (never used an atm), etc.

iris lilies
8-24-22, 9:35am
This is not a “rant” but is a mild observation: yesterday I hit several thrift stores looking for various things. Didn’tfind any of them, but I did see a small size rice cooker that I would have purchased had it not been priced at $30.00!!!!!
Yoinks! Is really high, but they are in a Desi community so perhaps they know their clientele.

edited to add: no they do not. The same rice cooker lists on Amazon at $29.

This is not one of those high end super tech Japanese models.

JaneV2.0
8-24-22, 10:21am
I was going to ask if it was one of those Zojirushi fuzzy-logic models.

Tradd
8-24-22, 11:49am
This is not a “rant” but is a mild observation: yesterday I hit several thrift stores looking for various things. Didn’tfind any of them, but I did see a small size rice cooker that I would have purchased had it not been priced at $30.00!!!!!
Yoinks! Is really high, but they are in a Desi community so perhaps they know their clientele.

edited to add: no they do not. The same rice cooker lists on Amazon at $29.

This is not one of those high end super tech Japanese models.

Iris, lots of people have been reporting much higher thrift store prices in a frugality group on FB.

iris lilies
8-24-22, 11:59am
Iris, lots of people have been reporting much higher thrift store prices in a frugality group on FB.
Oh yes, I think prices are up. And I don’t mind that they’re adding a couple bucks to things that used to sell for a couple of bucks.


A $30 price tag on a small kitchen appliance needs to be, in my mind, for a high-end practically new small kitchen appliance.

pinkytoe
8-24-22, 6:03pm
Thrift store prices are way up here - well...isn't everything these days. If I go to one, I wait until half price or senior days.

frugal-one
8-25-22, 6:16am
Been trying to exercise more. After the last 2 classes at the gym, I came home and slept for 2 hours. It simply is too much for me. I’m sure if I didn’t take my homeopathic remedy, I would not be walking the next day. And, I perspire more than ever! Will call today and see if I can get a trainer to help me set up a pool routine to work on by myself. Free training session so might as well take advantage of it!

Tradd
8-25-22, 9:24am
In negotiations with coworker about vacation time at Christmas so I can go cave diving in FL. Feels like I’m negotiating a nuclear treaty with the Soviets! Coworker will be visiting his in laws who live in FL. I’m aiming for the week before Christmas, back at work the 26th. Coworker’s wife has absolutely no sense of urgency about figuring out their dates. I finally told him yesterday I need to know sooner than later if I’m going. There’s just the two of us who share the customs brokerage work load. It’s driving me batty.

Tradd
8-25-22, 10:19am
Double post

Klunick
8-28-22, 12:28pm
Not really a rant but it's frustrating when you are really proud of something you did and someone comes along and makes a comment and it just takes the wind out of your sails.

frugal-one
8-28-22, 2:41pm
Not really a rant but it's frustrating when you are really proud of something you did and someone comes along and makes a comment and it just takes the wind out of your sails.

Tell them to pound sand! I do know what you mean though. Probably jealous?

Klunick
8-28-22, 2:56pm
Tell them to pound sand! I do know what you mean though. Probably jealous?

That's what I was thinking too.

JaneV2.0
8-28-22, 3:00pm
Not really a rant but it's frustrating when you are really proud of something you did and someone comes along and makes a comment and it just takes the wind out of your sails.

Or ignores it completely, even when you mention it. I feel your pain.

Klunick
8-28-22, 4:39pm
Or ignores it completely, even when you mention it. I feel your pain.

I think I would he rather ignored it than to make a negative comment. I worked really hard on it and he pretty much said it wasn't worthy.

JaneV2.0
8-28-22, 4:56pm
I think I would he rather ignored it than to make a negative comment. I worked really hard on it and he pretty much said it wasn't worthy.

Unless this was in an educational setting, where it was harsh but maybe understandable, he really should have emphasized the project's positive qualities or kept his mouth shut, IMO.

ToomuchStuff
8-28-22, 9:53pm
Not really a rant but it's frustrating when you are really proud of something you did and someone comes along and makes a comment and it just takes the wind out of your sails.

Or they have different values and see what your doing as EGO and boasting.


I think I would he rather ignored it than to make a negative comment. I worked really hard on it and he pretty much said it wasn't worthy.

I've pretty much done both, as a big part of it is how much or many times someone goes on about something.
For instance, I know and have known way more then my share of professional athletes. Generally I am able to ignore them, or they try to do something to make the story relevant to me since I don't give a c about sports. But I have taken the wind out of their sales and also had to deal with being "gifted" something (or an "experience", aka want to hold the Superbowl trophy, etc), they think is doing me good, and I think of either as a dust catcher, or (in the case of an autographed jersey), a glorified, fancy dipstick oil wiper.

Klunick
8-29-22, 2:35am
Or they have different values and see what your doing as EGO and boasting.



I've pretty much done both, as a big part of it is how much or many times someone goes on about something.
For instance, I know and have known way more then my share of professional athletes. Generally I am able to ignore them, or they try to do something to make the story relevant to me since I don't give a c about sports. But I have taken the wind out of their sales and also had to deal with being "gifted" something (or an "experience", aka want to hold the Superbowl trophy, etc), they think is doing me good, and I think of either as a dust catcher, or (in the case of an autographed jersey), a glorified, fancy dipstick oil wiper.

I never said anything about what I did to them so it can't be perceived as boasting. I'm sure they didn't mean to hurt my feelings. For all I know, they had no idea I was the one who did it so they might have thought I was an impartial person and were just giving their opinion on a random thing. I am over the hurt now and am still proud of what I did. Comment just stung for a moment.

iris lilies
8-29-22, 11:38am
Ya’ll know this thread is nearly 11 years old, right? Haha, we have a lot of rants. It is human nature, I guess.

I wonder how early poster who we no longer see around here are coming along with their annoyances and problems.

iris lilies
8-29-22, 12:01pm
Today I will rant about my own self centered laziness. During the pandemic I developed the bad habit of ordering common stuff from Amazon and having it delivered. OK I can excuse my actions then because it was Pandemic Time.

OK but that is over and I’ve been going into regular stores for a year and a half maybe two years.


Last week I was making a grocery store run to the big supermarket in the next town over and I needed bobby pins and toothpicks. It is a new store to me and I don’t know the layout. I looked in the aisles where I thought these things would reside. They were not there.
since I was running out of steam I came home and order them on Amazon along with other things in my cart. I’ve been making a weekly order on Amazon, setting it up to all ship on one day because you would think they would pack them all together, right? Saving gas, saving packing materials.


Well today I got a shipment that I ordered last week. Look at how they’re packed. Makes me sick when I think of the thousands hundreds of thousands know millions and billions of stupid empty boxes that have been shipped around.


My penance is that I *DO* break down these boxes and drive them to the recycling center in Hermann. But recycling is not as good as never getting it at all.

4770

catherine
8-29-22, 1:08pm
Today I will rant about my own self centered laziness. During the pandemic I developed the bad habit of ordering common stuff from Amazon and having it delivered. OK I can excuse my actions then because it was Pandemic Time.

OK but that is over and I’ve been going into regular stores for a year and a half maybe two years.


Last week I was making a grocery store run to the big supermarket in the next town over and I needed bobby pins and toothpicks. It is a new store to me and I don’t know the layout. I looked in the aisles where I thought these things would reside. They were not there.
since I was running out of steam I came home and order them on Amazon along with other things in my cart. I’ve been making a weekly order on Amazon, setting it up to all ship on one day because you would think they would pack them all together, right? Saving gas, saving packing materials.


Well today I got a shipment that I ordered last week. Look at how they’re packed. Makes me sick when I think of the thousands hundreds of thousands know millions and billions of stupid empty boxes that have been shipped around.


My penance is that I *DO* break down these boxes and drive them to the recycling center in Hermann. But recycling is not as good as never getting it at all.

4770

OMG, that is ridiculous, but to be honest, I prefer a big box to plastic bubble wrap and Jiffy bags. It still seems crazy, though. I always hate ordering small, inexpensive things through Amazon because I know that gas for the delivery truck to get way up here far exceeds the price of the cheap whatever-it-was I had to have.

You could use the boxes to help you expand your garden. I don't rototill (we don't have one), and I can't find people to do it. So I do the lasagna method of laying down cardboard, wetting it down, topping it with layers of organic matter/compost, topsoil, leaves/grass clippings. It takes time (I did it in July and won't plant in it until next May/June) but it's a good use for cardboard, and a pretty easy way to start a garden.

iris lilies
8-29-22, 1:54pm
Catherine, we have a tillers and any new garden space is made using those tools.

I did consider your suggestion for an area that needs mulch and it’s hard to get mulched because I have to haul buckets of mulch there through a path not easy to access, but I don’t think I could stand the look of the cardboard.

catherine
8-29-22, 1:56pm
Catherine, we have a tillers and any new garden space is made using those tools.

I did consider your suggestion for an area that needs mulch and it’s hard to get mulched because I have to haul buckets of mulch there through a path not easy to access, but I don’t think I could stand the look of the cardboard.

But you don't see the cardboard. It's under the topsoil/leaves/organic matter etc. . But if you have a tiller, you're set. I don't, and I don't want to buy one. We won't be creating many more gardens, and I'm fine with waiting a couple of seasons to use it.

iris lilies
8-29-22, 2:31pm
But you don't see the cardboard. It's under the topsoil/leaves/organic matter etc. . But if you have a tiller, you're set. I don't, and I don't want to buy one. We won't be creating many more gardens, and I'm fine with waiting a couple of seasons to use it.

But where is the topsoil coming from the scenario? I don’t get it. We don’t have piles of quality topsoil sitting around here.

catherine
8-29-22, 2:42pm
But where is the topsoil coming from the scenario? I don’t get it. We don’t have piles of quality topsoil sitting around here.

That's the rub. You have to buy it. My neighbors and DH/I always buy topsoil because our soil isn't that great. Clay on a lot of rock and filled with phosphorous from farmland run-off. So we've been adding topsoil to our raised beds, amending the soil we inherited and giving it a little help with a lot of organic material and purchased topsoil.

frugal-one
8-29-22, 3:10pm
Rant of the day... having to call ANYWHERE... put on hold for long periods. If they say they will call you back .. it is dubious at best. Don't know how people who work get this done???

iris lilies
8-29-22, 6:30pm
That's the rub. You have to buy it. My neighbors and DH/I always buy topsoil because our soil isn't that great. Clay on a lot of rock and filled with phosphorous from farmland run-off. So we've been adding topsoil to our raised beds, amending the soil we inherited and giving it a little help with a lot of organic material and purchased topsoil.
Oh no.

no no no we do not buy bags of topsoil. And this area is not big enough for a big load.

ok but maybe we need to change. We are now buying compost and at the moment, mulch. 30+ years ago we bought a big truckload of river bottom top soil to fill the big raised area of my flower garden. But since then, have not purchased top soil. I don’t think DH will go for it.

pinkytoe
8-29-22, 6:54pm
My rant for the day - vagrants and their mess. Yesterday, I went to visit our local demonstration gardens located close to downtown. They are close to some railroad tracks and a creek, so apparently more and more "homeless" people wander in, defecate, do their drugs and leave their trash. Among the beautiful gardens were piles of fast food trash, underwear and other lovely disgusting things. This societal issue really needs to be taken seriously.

Tradd
8-29-22, 7:39pm
Rant of the day... having to call ANYWHERE... put on hold for long periods. If they say they will call you back .. it is dubious at best. Don't know how people who work get this done???

Trying to call an ocean carrier or airline at work means you will be on hold for at least an hour. The worst part is their system will often hang up on you when you’ve been waiting for ages. Email isn’t any better. Might take 48 hours to get a response on something urgent.

iris lilies
8-29-22, 9:18pm
My rant for the day - vagrants and their mess. Yesterday, I went to visit our local demonstration gardens located close to downtown. They are close to some railroad tracks and a creek, so apparently more and more "homeless" people wander in, defecate, do their drugs and leave their trash. Among the beautiful gardens were piles of fast food trash, underwear and other lovely disgusting things. This societal issue really needs to be taken seriously.

The “ unhoused” ( politically correct term) are uncaring about their environment. I saw it for decades in downtown St. Louis since the largest men’s home shelter was across the street from where I worked.

ToomuchStuff
8-29-22, 10:09pm
since I was running out of steam I came home and order them on Amazon along with other things in my cart. I’ve been making a weekly order on Amazon, setting it up to all ship on one day because you would think they would pack them all together, right?


Uhm, no. I wouldn't be thinking that they have everything at every warehouse, everywhere. That would be wasteful.

sweetana3
8-30-22, 5:38am
That is right. We have around 5 or 6 Amazon warehouses around and even more than one Walmart warehouse. Sometimes we are lucky with one box but not often.

Note: Target once shipped weights and something glass in the same box. The delivery person looked at us and just turned around and took it away when we both heard the broken sounds coming from the box.

iris lilies
8-30-22, 9:01am
Uhm, no. I wouldn't be thinking that they have everything at every warehouse, everywhere. That would be wasteful.
I didn’t understand that each box represents a warehouse. That makes sense.

littlebittybobby
8-30-22, 2:30pm
Okayy----here's what really, really, really ticks me off, even more than aisle-blockers at the groc store or Bare Walls Mart. See---it's people who don't read my posts and thank mee for my wisdom and effort to take the time to elucidate and expound on some of my VERY Important Subjects! But yeah---they are ingrates! OTOH, when THEY post, it's to murmur some one-liner, with no depth or insight. Yup. Hope that helps you some. 47734773477347734773

frugal-one
8-31-22, 5:15pm
Wish they would hurry and put trump away. So SICK AND TIRED of hearing about him. It was so nice when he was out of the spotlight!!!

Alan
8-31-22, 5:29pm
Wish they would hurry and put trump away. So SICK AND TIRED of hearing about him. It was so nice when he was out of the spotlight!!!
Keeping you upset with Trump is a campaign strategy, it may continue for another few months or, to be safe, it may continue for another few years. It's not so much Trump they're targeting, it's you.

iris lilies
8-31-22, 5:52pm
Keeping you upset with Trump is a campaign strategy, it may continue for another few months or, to be safe, it may continue for another few years. It's not so much Trump they're targeting, it's you.
Yes, we see the results of that successful targeting campaign here daily.

littlebittybobby
8-31-22, 5:54pm
Wish they would hurry and put trump away. So SICK AND TIRED of hearing about him. It was so nice when he was out of the spotlight!!!F-1 Consider this: One way to stop hearing about him would be for fanatical leftists to stop going on and on and on about Bad Man Orange, and other stooopid stuff. It's soooo kinder-gardeny! Even my humor is more sophisticated. Well, isn't it? Ha. Hope that helps you some. 4778

ApatheticNoMore
8-31-22, 5:55pm
Trump should go to jail, by which I really meant I should go to jail. Wait that makes no sense.

JaneV2.0
8-31-22, 6:28pm
Should the American public just look the other way in the face of such egregious behavior by a former president? I don't think so.

Alan
8-31-22, 7:44pm
Should the American public just look the other way in the face of such egregious behavior by a former president? I don't think so.
One of the regularly scheduled DOJ leaks to the NY Times reported that "department officials are not expected to file charges imminently, if ever...", which makes this look more and more like the DOJ stepping in to settle a National Archives dispute. The nuclear secrets thing seems to have either been a false flag or clickbait, not sure which, and the Presidential Records Act may put a real damper on any possibility of a criminal outcome. Not to mention the political fallout associated with treating this dispute differently than previous ones.

To me, this whole thing seems like a perfect storm of associated interests, an attempt to tar all republicans for political purposes, an attempt to tar all democrats for over-reach, a ratings slump fix for cable news and an opportunity for everyday people to focus their rage on their preferred villian.

I hate being manipulated, YMMV.

frugal-one
8-31-22, 7:50pm
If charges are never filed, the criminal was right. He could kill someone and get away with it. He is above the law. Imagine what would happen if he were elected again? He would run even more rampant. He needs to be put down.

frugal-one
8-31-22, 7:52pm
Keeping you upset with Trump is a campaign strategy, it may continue for another few months or, to be safe, it may continue for another few years. It's not so much Trump they're targeting, it's you.

bs

frugal-one
8-31-22, 7:55pm
One of the regularly scheduled DOJ leaks to the NY Times reported that "department officials are not expected to file charges imminently, if ever...", which makes this look more and more like the DOJ stepping in to settle a National Archives dispute. The nuclear secrets thing seems to have either been a false flag or clickbait, not sure which, and the Presidential Records Act may put a real damper on any possibility of a criminal outcome. Not to mention the political fallout associated with treating this dispute differently than previous ones.

To me, this whole thing seems like a perfect storm of associated interests, an attempt to tar all republicans for political purposes, an attempt to tar all democrats for over-reach, a ratings slump fix for cable news and an opportunity for everyday people to focus their rage on their preferred villian.

I hate being manipulated, YMMV.


Exemplifies trump supporters! Jan 6th is prime example!

Rogar
8-31-22, 8:51pm
One of the regularly scheduled DOJ leaks to the NY Times reported that "department officials are not expected to file charges imminently, if ever...", which makes this look more and more like the DOJ stepping in to settle a National Archives dispute. The nuclear secrets thing seems to have either been a false flag or clickbait, not sure which, and the Presidential Records Act may put a real damper on any possibility of a criminal outcome. Not to mention the political fallout associated with treating this dispute differently than previous ones.

To me, this whole thing seems like a perfect storm of associated interests, an attempt to tar all republicans for political purposes, an attempt to tar all democrats for over-reach, a ratings slump fix for cable news and an opportunity for everyday people to focus their rage on their preferred villian.

I hate being manipulated, YMMV.

I still don't understand why Trump had top secret documents in his home, needless to say his desk. And after a couple of fairly serious requests he apparently ignored. Parts of this seem illegal and along the same vain as "lock her up", but more critical and blatant.

iris lilies
9-3-22, 11:38am
Yesterday afternoon I was weeding my community garden bed in the city when I heard shots coming from the Projects a block away. It was a little worrisome because it was two “pop pop” shots, not the spray of gunfire that happens when the brothers are randomly shooting at each other. I thought to myself, that sounds like purposeful shooting.


When I drove away there were 6+ police cars there with caution tape surrounding an area. When I googled “shooting in Clinton Peabody” I couldn’t find any report yesterday or today, but it will come out eventually. What does come out in that googling is all of the shootings at Clinton Peabody. This demonstrates why my ZIP Code and even closer, the two block radius of my former home, is in the 1% worldwide of homicides per capita.

Yay, us.
This is all federally funded, federally run housing so I’m glad we all are paying for it.

JaneV2.0
9-3-22, 12:33pm
...
Yay, us.
This is all federally funded, federally run housing so I’m glad we all are paying for it.

You should probably be glad they do, or some of the miscreants might be living in your garden beds, as they do in Seattle and Portland. :devil:

Portuguese John Here
9-3-22, 2:41pm
Spent half an afternoon watching a discussion between Helen Lewis and Jordan Peterson, reason unknown, since I dislike debates, and also don't enjoy Peterson's vocabulary and how he sets himself.

By the end, a thought came to my head: Almost 60 million human beings watched two individuals battle in arguments to defend genders and theories, of those 60 millions probably 1 million understood what they were saying, nonetheless all of them will memorize these arguments to build and ideology they believe they should follow.

JaneV2.0
9-3-22, 4:31pm
I've seen a bit of Jordan Peterson--enough to recognize that he has little to offer me, and that his personality rubbed me strongly the wrong way (his philosophy aside). Then I watched him talk about his experience with carnivory, in which he related how his depression lifted as a result, and I realized I had been responding to his depressive personality.

iris lilies
9-3-22, 4:45pm
I've seen a bit of Jordan Peterson--enough to recognize that he has little to offer me, and that his personality rubbed me strongly the wrong way (his philosophy aside). Then I watched him talk about his experience with carnivory, in which he related how his depression lifted as a result, and I realized I had been responding to his depressive personality.
It is hard for me to separate Peterson from his talks. It is true he has had some huge problems with mental illness and he talks openly about that.

He has, or has had in that past anyway, some ok things to say I just wish there was a different promenant mouthpiece for those things.

JaneV2.0
9-3-22, 4:53pm
It is hard for me to separate Peterson from his talks. It is true he has had some huge problems with mental illness and he talks openly about that.

He has, or has had in that past anyway, some ok things to say I just wish there was a different promenant mouthpiece for those things.

Yes--he has whatever the opposite of charisma is, as far as I'm concerned.

iris lilies
9-3-22, 5:12pm
Yes--he has whatever the opposite of charisma is, as far as I'm concerned.
Oh yeah, he sucks all the joy out of the room.

littlebittybobby
9-3-22, 5:28pm
Okay---"Joy Suckers Unite!" Ha. That would make a nifty T-shirt slogan. Yup. I don't listen to Jordan Peterson; I have, but I figured he must be a schizo. Yup.

rosarugosa
9-3-22, 5:41pm
Yesterday afternoon I was weeding my community garden bed in the city when I heard shots coming from the Projects a block away. It was a little worrisome because it was two “pop pop” shots, not the spray of gunfire that happens when the brothers are randomly shooting at each other. I thought to myself, that sounds like purposeful shooting.


When I drove away there were 6+ police cars there with caution tape surrounding an area. When I googled “shooting in Clinton Peabody” I couldn’t find any report yesterday or today, but it will come out eventually. What does come out in that googling is all of the shootings at Clinton Peabody. This demonstrates why my ZIP Code and even closer, the two block radius of my former home, is in the 1% worldwide of homicides per capita.

Yay, us.
This is all federally funded, federally run housing so I’m glad we all are paying for it.

Well at least Rob isn't the only one with zip code pride!

littlebittybobby
9-3-22, 7:47pm
Okay-----I-Wah Meat Cultcha. Even the local-yokel gas station handles fresh lockered beef. The commenter says "yummy"; but the commenter sure isn't,. Too mucha that Iwah beef in her diet, I guess. But yeah--it is very annoying. See?480348034804

iris lilies
9-4-22, 12:20am
Well at least Rob isn't the only one with zip code pride!
Haha yep!

Portuguese John Here
9-4-22, 9:39am
It is hard for me to separate Peterson from his talks. It is true he has had some huge problems with mental illness and he talks openly about that.
Most clinicians like he calls them, psychiatrists, have mental problems one way or another, either an existentialism that never ends, anxieties, even depression, that's why they usually also visit psychiatrists on their own time. Most of them choose that career because they thought it would grant them the insight into the human mind, the human condition, but it doesn't, other's thought it would grant the power of analyses over people's personalities. They might tell you, after I don't know how many sessions, where the source of the problem is, and the source often excludes the person with problems of any responsibility over their current situation, and specially young people, they love it, it's so easy to blame the parents, because they are the first role models, the first influence. But where everything falls apart is fixing the problem, that's the big deal, that's why so many people are on medication, because every single people on earth has different experiences derived from different environments, with different influences, what can make one person overcome it psychologically, won't work on another, that's where philosophy starts kicking, but the problem with philosophy is that people pick and choose the one who satisfy their lifestyle the most. In some cases, you cover a hole and another pops up, that's why so many spend their lives visiting those clinicians. My search for that core lead me away from philosophy and psychoanalyses long ago, it wasn't there. Now I believe I know where it is, but it's a serious business, it ain't easy, no sir, and I don't have the will in me, cheap trills, living with gratitude is enough, it's easier and less demanding.

JaneV2.0
9-4-22, 10:48am
Ted Bundy's degree was in psychology, if I remember correctly.
I took a couple of psychology courses, and thought them fatuous.

iris lilies
9-4-22, 11:47am
Ted Bundy's degree was in psychology, if I remember correctly.
I took a couple of psychology courses, and thought them fatuous.
I thank God my own mental health is such that I don’t have to negotiate the Byzantine pseudo-science world of psychoanalysis and mental health medicine.

It is all complex, that world, and yes I think it is made even more so by the number of practitioners who are not mentally healthy themselves, although I suppose that state doesn't necessarily negate their ability to help someone. Maybe.

JaneV2.0
9-4-22, 12:09pm
I thank God my own mental health is such that I don’t have to negotiate the Byzantine pseudo-science world of psychoanalysis and mental health medicine.

It is all complex, that world, and yes I think it is made even more so by the number of practitioners who are not mentally healthy themselves, although I suppose that state doesn't necessarily negate their ability to help someone. Maybe.

As usual, we're in sync here. I'm sure there are benefits to talk therapy if you're lucky enough to find the rare effective practitioner who clicks with your personality. And I think most psychoactive drugs will be proved more placebo than anything--though they may be replaced with psychedelics like psilocybin or--more likely--by pharmaceuticals based on them.

Interestingly, both Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila credit diet with putting their severe depression into remission. Another tool.

Tybee
9-4-22, 4:24pm
Lots of people find lots of useful help from talk therapy. I guess one's mileage will vary on this topic.

Teacher Terry
9-5-22, 3:00am
I agree Tybee that many people find talk therapy helpful. The right medication can be life changing for some people. It can be the difference between leading a normal life and not being able to function. Unfortunately psychiatrists mainly only see patients for 15 minutes and prescribe medications. They typically don’t do therapy. New psychiatrist doctors were a problem because they frequently would change a patient’s medication and it could destabilize them. Being right out of school they can be over confident of their skills.

rosarugosa
9-5-22, 5:59am
Most clinicians like he calls them, psychiatrists, have mental problems one way or another, either an existentialism that never ends, anxieties, even depression, that's why they usually also visit psychiatrists on their own time. Most of them choose that career because they thought it would grant them the insight into the human mind, the human condition, but it doesn't, other's thought it would grant the power of analyses over people's personalities. They might tell you, after I don't know how many sessions, where the source of the problem is, and the source often excludes the person with problems of any responsibility over their current situation, and specially young people, they love it, it's so easy to blame the parents, because they are the first role models, the first influence. But where everything falls apart is fixing the problem, that's the big deal, that's why so many people are on medication, because every single people on earth has different experiences derived from different environments, with different influences, what can make one person overcome it psychologically, won't work on another, that's where philosophy starts kicking, but the problem with philosophy is that people pick and choose the one who satisfy their lifestyle the most. In some cases, you cover a hole and another pops up, that's why so many spend their lives visiting those clinicians. My search for that core lead me away from philosophy and psychoanalyses long ago, it wasn't there. Now I believe I know where it is, but it's a serious business, it ain't easy, no sir, and I don't have the will in me, cheap trills, living with gratitude is enough, it's easier and less demanding.

I agree that therapy often seems more effective at identifying the problem and its roots than coming up with an effective strategy for making things better going forward. I know a couple of people who have had extensive therapy, and it doesn't seem to have helped them improve their lives much, although it's difficult to say that they might not have been worse off without it.

catherine
9-5-22, 7:42am
I agree Tybee that many people find talk therapy helpful. The right medication can be life changing for some people. It can be the difference between leading a normal life and not being able to function. Unfortunately psychiatrists mainly only see patients for 15 minutes and prescribe medications. They typically don’t do therapy. New psychiatrist doctors were a problem because they frequently would change a patient’s medication and it could destabilize them. Being right out of school they can be over confident of their skills.

Yes, psychiatrists don't really deal in talk therapy, IMHO. They prescribe, and that's about it They learn enough about you to know what to prescribe.

It's the counselors, MSWs, psychologists that try to guide you down the road of self-awareness. Once they help you reveal something, they can guide you to solutions, but it's still your responsibility to do the work. They are not failures if you don't "get better." That's like saying a driver's ed teacher is a failure if you don't follow the speed limit once you have your license..

I have found talk therapy helpful in centering myself in certain truths that were hard to see. That alone is a helpful first step.

nswef
9-5-22, 11:55am
Talk therapy with a Licensed Clinical Social worker changed my life. I was floundering and depressed. She would make it all so simple, one tiny step at a time and it resulted in changes in how I viewed things. But, when I thanked her she said, "You did it. You did the work, I just guided you." I went in the late 80, late 90s and did a quick one visit check in 2 or 3 years ago. I had learned so much, was able to navigate the death of my parents, retirement, other things that once would have thrown me for a loop. I am ever grateful to have found her when I did.

Tradd
9-8-22, 1:07pm
Have a customer who brings in food items from India. Lots of stuff is held by FDA for additional information. The importing companies who are customers have turned into dumb clucks. They bellyache and whine about their stuff being held by FDA, yet they totally ignore multiple emails a week asking for required info.

I’ve been trying to get info from customer on labeling since 8/19. Finally got it today. Sent it to FDA and what do you know? Shipment is released 5 minutes later. I advise customer and send proof of FDA crickets. No response acknowledging email. They’re shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly in situations like this.

Eric
9-10-22, 12:27pm
Talk therapy with a Licensed Clinical Social worker changed my life. I was floundering and depressed. She would make it all so simple, one tiny step at a time and it resulted in changes in how I viewed things. But, when I thanked her she said, "You did it. You did the work, I just guided you." I went in the late 80, late 90s and did a quick one visit check in 2 or 3 years ago. I had learned so much, was able to navigate the death of my parents, retirement, other things that once would have thrown me for a loop. I am ever grateful to have found her when I did.

That's great you had success with talk therapy. I echo your sentiment. It took me some trial and error to find a good therapist that was also a good match for me.

Therapy seems kind of analogous to computing: good therapy is like incremental software upgrades that are more computationally efficient and purposeful, so that the hardware doesn't have to work as hard and risk overheating and burning up. It can't fix everything, it sure can make a difference with the right therapist.

nswef
9-12-22, 12:33pm
Eric, The right fit is vital. I was lucky to have a good fit right away.

rosarugosa
9-13-22, 6:36am
I fear I may have come across as anti-therapy, which I am not. I just happen to have a couple of people who are near and dear to me that don't seem to be getting much benefit from it.

iris lilies
9-13-22, 10:42am
I fear I may have come across as anti-therapy, which I am not. I just happen to have a couple of people who are near and dear to me that don't seem to be getting much benefit from it.
Oh I think good effective therapy is a boon for everyone! It’s just it’s so hard to find that great of a therapist, and good medication.

iris lilies
9-21-22, 5:24pm
Our kitchen cabinets in Herman were provided by Diamond company through Lowe’s. Nice cabinets, I’m happy with them,, everything went smoothly except for one thing and that is apparently a special order to get cabinet doors with no fronts so that we can put in glass.

The ordering of these things was so convoluted that our Lowe’s representative said “I’ll just order them for you later, and you don’t have to pay for them.”

That was February. By June of our cabinets came and DH installed them. All but these four cabinet doors. Since then we’ve had five incorrect shipments. As of today we have three of the doors, we just need one more.

Yesterday we drove 30 miles to the Lowe’s store because we had an appointment with the kitchen cabinet designer who has already sold us two incorrect shipments. We brought with us one of the cabinet doors that is correct so that we could show him exactly what we want.

After driving 30 miles there, we found that he was not at work that day, he had called in sick. When we asked to speak to the store manager that guy didn’t have any good suggestions Tell us to come back and talk to the kitchen designer.

At some point I’ll probably contact Diamond directly. See, I haven’t wanted to complain too much up to this point because we were not in a huge hurry for these cabinet doors, they are free to us, we like the kitchen cabinets and Diamond did a really decent job in meeting the timeline they said they would meet. But FIVE incorrect shipments?

frugal-one
9-21-22, 5:36pm
That is really disappointing, IL!!! Hopefully, you can get it resolved. I feel your pain.

We had painting done recently. I told the guy do it exactly like it was. We had wood in one place that I told him to paint. Of course, he did not do what I asked. I should not have paid him. Tomorrow we are getting 4 windows installed. I pray it goes well. It was horrible to even try to get someone to come out for an estimate. This company came when they said they would, the windows are here when they said they would be... so hopefully they will be properly installed.... fingers crossed.

I cannot EVEN imagine doing all the renovating you have been doing. It would drive me nuts. And, to have to pick and choose all that.. YIKES!! Good that you know what you want!!!

iris lilies
9-21-22, 5:44pm
That is really disappointing, IL!!! Hopefully, you can get it resolved. I feel your pain.

We had painting done recently. I told the guy do it exactly like it was. We had wood in one place that I told him to paint. Of course, he did not do what I asked. I should not have paid him. Tomorrow we are getting 4 windows installed. I pray it goes well. It was horrible to even try to get someone to come out for an estimate. This company came when they said they would, the windows are here when they said they would be... so hopefully they will be properly installed.... fingers crossed.

I cannot EVEN imagine doing all the renovating you have been doing. It would drive me nuts. And, to have to pick and choose all that.. YIKES!! Good that you know what you want!!!

We had the contractor created by the angels. Every person we talk to who knows anything about his work says he is the best. He’s around 65 years old and I am hoping he hangs in there a few more years to help other people in Hermann because getting someone to renovate an old house is really difficult. Granted, they made some mistakes but nothing I can’t live with. The things in this renovation I was most disappointed about were sub contractors DH and I handled.

iris lilies
9-24-22, 12:57pm
4856

The Wayfair company keeps showing me the stupidest products on Facebook. I long for a day when targeted digital marketing is competent and shows me actual products I want.

this is what they put across my Facebook newsfeed today, a child’s play washer/dryer set for $376. Can’t you get a new washer plus half a dryer for that amount, I mean one that actually has working parts that adult humans use to wash clothes? Where in the world did they get the idea that I want to see this thing?

JaneV2.0
9-24-22, 4:28pm
4856

The Wayfair company keeps showing me the stupidest products on Facebook. I long for a day when targeted digital marketing is competent and shows me actual products I want.

this is what they put across my Facebook newsfeed today, a child’s play washer/dryer set for $376. Can’t you get a new washer plus half a dryer for that amount, I mean one that actually has working parts that adult humans use to wash clothes? Where in the world did they get the idea that I want to see this thing?

I find Wayfair annoying because they expect you to register to even see their products. I deep-six their ads whenever I can.

iris lilies
9-24-22, 4:39pm
I find Wayfair annoying because they expect you to register to even see their products. I deep-six their ads whenever I can.
Renovating two properties as I have, I use Wayfair often. Their search software is superior to others I’ve used, getting down to a fairly granular detail. So yes, .i did register because I maintain product lists there.

But too many vendors want you to register in order to browse. I say Nope to that much of the time.

Klunick
10-1-22, 11:32am
One of my favorite Halloween wreaths snapped into pieces and I only have my own stupidity to blame. Went to take the box off my armoire so I could dust before decorating and the wreath hit the ceiling fan that was on. Went flying to the ground and snapped. I am so mad at myself. It was made of styrofoam which I didn't realize so I tried putting toothpicks in each piece to hopefully make them stick back together but it didn't work.

Then I spent about an hour trying to find a replacement that I liked but didn't cost $60-$80 dollars. I think the one I broke was $20 from Target and it lasted years. Finally ordered one from Kohl's and thanks to a sale and Kohl's cash, it ended up being a reasonable price. Only bad part is I am decorating today and the wreath won't show up until sometime next week. I was really hoping to find one on Amazon that would be delivered tomorrow but no such luck.

Tradd
10-3-22, 7:15am
So diving for rebreather training this weekend and it was very tough.

Yesterday was very challenging. Parts of the first dive were just horrid. Couple divers my instructor knows tagged along with permission on first dive. One of them, thinking he was Mr Funny Guy after my very bad dive, offered to buy my rebreather since he didn’t want to wait months himself for one. I told him to eff off to his face multiple times. He told me later he was joking and I just told him to eff off.

happystuff
10-3-22, 8:58am
Sorry your not-so-great day was made even worse by this character, Tradd. As for the bad dive, I would chalk it up to "everyone has a bad day", move on and keep practicing. I have no doubts this is another aspect of diving that you will quickly master!!

iris lilies
10-3-22, 9:27am
So diving for rebreather training this weekend and it was very tough.

Yesterday was very challenging. Parts of the first dive were just horrid. Couple divers my instructor knows tagged along with permission on first dive. One of them, thinking he was Mr Funny Guy after my very bad dive, offered to buy my rebreather since he didn’t want to wait months himself for one. I told him to eff off to his face multiple times. He told me later he was joking and I just told him to eff off.

You will get there. Two steps forward, one back, side to side, two forward…it is a difficult skill but you will get there.

Tradd
10-3-22, 9:30am
Thanks! I was exhausted. I had 4.5 hours of underwater time this weekend. I never dive that much. Instructor said she could clearly see I was lagging yesterday. So this coming weekend will be one dive Sat am for me with classmate and then we’ll do one Sunday morning just her and I, to hopefully finish me off. She often does one on one for part of class for many students due to scheduling.

JaneV2.0
10-3-22, 2:15pm
Geez--I hope it doesn't "finish you off!" :D

Tradd
10-3-22, 2:35pm
Geez--I hope it doesn't "finish you off!" :D

Haha. Good one! :D

catherine
10-6-22, 9:20pm
I had a frank talk with DH today, and it was made clear to me that he believes I love my job and have no problem working forever. This was somewhat surprising but no more so than when my eldest son told me at one point "I can't see you ever retiring" and my third son said essentially the same thing. I thought I was pretty clear on the fact that I am working because I have to at this point in time. I'm grateful that I have a job that pays well and I can do from my home but that doesn't mean I'm enamored of it. It's not fulfilling beyond the ability to pay my bills. I'm not saving lives or educating children. I'm a drug dealer. I do it for the money. I have said that repeatedly, so I don't know why this perception persists.

But it cracked me up when DH said, "Well, but what would you do if you retired??" Really?? Maybe the same things he does. Or the things all my college friends do now that they are retired. Maybe do all the things I wish I had more time for. Reading, gardening, working for environmental causes, hanging out with my grandkids, babysitting more often, just sitting period.

I'm just venting over the fact that I have somehow conveyed the idea that my whole raison d'être is to spend my days interviewing doctors and writing reports that pharmaceutical companies can use to sell more drugs.

Just a vent.

iris lilies
10-6-22, 10:12pm
You know I have a long memory Catherine and I actually remember (I don’t think I’m making this up in my head ) when you couldn’t see into the future to where you are now, that you would like to quit work. I don’t remember the exact conversation I just remember you wondering aloud why you would need so much money because you loved your job and good not want to quit it.

yeah. Retirement is great. I can’t relate to people who retire and then go back to work after a couple of years because they’re “bored. “

JaneV2.0
10-6-22, 10:37pm
You know I have a long memory Catherine and I actually remember (I don’t think I’m making this up in my head ) when you couldn’t see into the future to where you are now, that you would like to quit work. I don’t remember the exact conversation I just remember you wondering aloud why you would need so much money because you loved your job and good not want to quit it.

yeah. Retirement is great. I can’t relate to people who retire and then go back to work after a couple of years because they’re “bored. “

Yeah--I don't bore myself easily. Sucks to be them. :D

SiouzQ.
10-7-22, 9:45pm
Withdrawing from my coffee habit. It sucks. My head is exploding and my brain is fuggy. I'm only doing it under duress, meaning my gut cannot handle the stuff. It's been giving me horrible indigestion and the pain of that is greater than the pain of giving up my caffeine in the morning. Black tea isn't cutting it today though. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

Klunick
10-8-22, 6:37am
I really wanted Arby's for dinner last night but that means a 30 minute drive to and a 30 minute drive back home which I wasn't up for but went anyway. Drive there was fine but soon got very very bad.

First, I spilled part of a drink all over my lap. It literally looked like I had peed myself. Then I pull out and the drink carrier goes flying. Thank God all the lids stayed on and even more that I have WeatherTech floor liners. I had to pull into a parking lot to clean up. Mind you, my pants are still soaked from spilling the soda so I was embarrassed to be getting out of the car in public. I dump the floor liner and reposition the drink carrier and finally get home about an hour and half later.

happystuff
10-8-22, 10:26am
SiouzQ, I hope you are feeling okay and that today goes better. Best of luck with quitting caffeine. I don't think I could do it.

Ugh, Klunick, that really stinks. Hope you at least enjoyed your Arby's once you got settled at home.

catherine
10-9-22, 10:17am
You know I have a long memory Catherine and I actually remember (I don’t think I’m making this up in my head ) when you couldn’t see into the future to where you are now, that you would like to quit work. I don’t remember the exact conversation I just remember you wondering aloud why you would need so much money because you loved your job and good not want to quit it.

yeah. Retirement is great. I can’t relate to people who retire and then go back to work after a couple of years because they’re “bored. “

I can see myself saying something to that effect, for sure. That's what perplexes me about the misperception about me from the people I love most and who are most bound to me. What have I communicated to them? it makes me almost feel that they don't know "the real me."

I remember telling my mother when I was young (and I may have already said this at some point here), "I want to do everything!" To which my mother said with a cautionary tone: "Jack of all trades, master of none..." While I've always admired single-focused folks, I'm just not wired that way. (I just saw a piece on CBS Sunday Morning about a breakthrough bluegrass musician who knew he wanted to be a bluegrass musician when he was about 5, and he's been playing bluegrass every since)

In my diary from 1965 is a drawing of a Tudor house under a weeping willow tree. The indoor blueprint showed a lower floor that was broken up into about 5-6 equal-sized rooms. One had a piano in it, one had a sewing machine in it. One had an easel in it. One had bookshelves and oak paneling and a wing chair. Probably another room had a stage in it, or maybe a chapel-type room--(that was around the time I wanted to be a nun) That was my ideal home. It represents what my ideal life would be, if I weren't working. That's why I was so flummoxed when DH asked me "But if you weren't working, what would you DO??"

I am starting to branch out into that ideal life with more sewing and more painting and certainly more gardening, and my strategy is to expand my leisure time as my financial situation approaches what it needs to be in order to stop working completely.

JaneV2.0
10-9-22, 12:29pm
"I remember telling my mother when I was young (and I may have already said this at some point here), "I want to do everything!" To which my mother said with a cautionary tone: "Jack of all trades, master of none..." While I've always admired single-focused folks, I'm just not wired that way. (I just saw a piece on CBS Sunday Morning about a breakthrough bluegrass musician who knew he wanted to be a bluegrass musician when he was about 5, and he's been playing bluegrass every since)"

I've never been single-minded, either. My SO used to say of me that I easily mastered skills and moved on, which wasn't the case--I just saw the next shiny thing and moved toward it. My estimation is that even if you're transparent and vocal about who you are, your loved ones will see what they want to when they look at you.

How many years is it until retirement?

iris lilies
10-9-22, 1:47pm
I can see myself saying something to that effect, for sure. That's what perplexes me about the misperception about me from the people I love most and who are most bound to me. What have I communicated to them? it makes me almost feel that they don't know "the real me."

I remember telling my mother when I was young (and I may have already said this at some point here), "I want to do everything!" To which my mother said with a cautionary tone: "Jack of all trades, master of none..." While I've always admired single-focused folks, I'm just not wired that way. (I just saw a piece on CBS Sunday Morning about a breakthrough bluegrass musician who knew he wanted to be a bluegrass musician when he was about 5, and he's been playing bluegrass every since)

In my diary from 1965 is a drawing of a Tudor house under a weeping willow tree. The indoor blueprint showed a lower floor that was broken up into about 5-6 equal-sized rooms. One had a piano in it, one had a sewing machine in it. One had an easel in it. One had bookshelves and oak paneling and a wing chair. Probably another room had a stage in it, or maybe a chapel-type room--(that was around the time I wanted to be a nun) That was my ideal home. It represents what my ideal life would be, if I weren't working. That's why I was so flummoxed when DH asked me "But if you weren't working, what would you DO??"

I am starting to branch out into that ideal life with more sewing and more painting and certainly more gardening, and my strategy is to expand my leisure time as my financial situation approaches what it needs to be in order to stop working completely.

it’s an interesting question that’s for sure.


I’m hazarding a guess that your DH sees you very responsibly doing work each day on a schedule and being very disciplined at that. To him that might look like “Catherine works every day and fills her day with work and must like doing it because her day is full of work. “ Didn’t you have some sort of argument in the last couple years about you working versus going to New Jersey for holidays? He may see you as a workaholic rather than your own view that you have to work to make the money for the family. I know that your DH is a little vague about the money stream and its necessity.

iris lilies
10-9-22, 1:53pm
And speaking of money, lately I’m feeling pretty icky about all the crap I’m buying. I’m like super Cassie Comsumer, shopping shopping shopping. Just because I shop at the thrift stores and troll Facebook Marketplace and ebay for specific used items doesn’t mean that I’m not addicted to shopping. Blech.

I have purchased three pieces of furniture over the past year that I need to paint in the way I envisioned before I buy any more damn furniture.


Yesterday I had a miscommunication with a Facebook marketpla e seller where I thought I bought something and it turns out I didn’t, and I was relieved. It was a great piece at a great price but I didn’t really have a place to put it.

happystuff
10-9-22, 2:55pm
I saw that Sunday Morning bluegrass player - amazing! I keep wondering what I would be REALLY good at if I had stuck to any of the many things I "tried". I mean, I'm glad I tried different things, but I think the only thing I ever mastered was crocheting. Does that count?

How many years is it until retirement?

Got my Social Security statement in the mail last week and finally took at good look at it yesterday. To my surprise, I think I am looking at - max=25 months, min=17 months. I FINALLY feel there is a light at the end of the tunnel!!!!

Edited to add: The last part of this post should probably go in Raves. LOL.

frugal-one
10-9-22, 3:50pm
Congrats happystuff!!! timeanddate.com is a cool site to start the countdown and also to see how many days you have been retired. I left it when I retired and it shows I have been retired 4244 days! Time goes so fast!

pinkytoe
10-9-22, 9:24pm
I remember the exhilaration of meeting with a retirement counselor where I worked and seeing the exact date I could retire and that my frugality throughout the years would allow me to retire earlier than I expected. My boss at the time said he had never seen me so happy.

rosarugosa
10-10-22, 8:55am
I had a frank talk with DH today, and it was made clear to me that he believes I love my job and have no problem working forever. This was somewhat surprising but no more so than when my eldest son told me at one point "I can't see you ever retiring" and my third son said essentially the same thing. I thought I was pretty clear on the fact that I am working because I have to at this point in time. I'm grateful that I have a job that pays well and I can do from my home but that doesn't mean I'm enamored of it. It's not fulfilling beyond the ability to pay my bills. I'm not saving lives or educating children. I'm a drug dealer. I do it for the money. I have said that repeatedly, so I don't know why this perception persists.

But it cracked me up when DH said, "Well, but what would you do if you retired??" Really?? Maybe the same things he does. Or the things all my college friends do now that they are retired. Maybe do all the things I wish I had more time for. Reading, gardening, working for environmental causes, hanging out with my grandkids, babysitting more often, just sitting period.

I'm just venting over the fact that I have somehow conveyed the idea that my whole raison d'être is to spend my days interviewing doctors and writing reports that pharmaceutical companies can use to sell more drugs.

Just a vent.

Catherine: Sometimes people think what they want to think because it serves them well. Your DH no doubt finds it a comfortable thought that you might be happy working your lucrative job until you drop. This is nothing against your DH; it's just human nature. I'm sure it serves me well to think my DH loves to cook perhaps a bit more than he actually does, and DH seems to think I enjoy housework, when the truth is that I enjoy a tidy house and I'm willing to put in the work to make it happen.
I also think that when you do for others in a cheerful, uncomplaining manner, it is easier for them to take your efforts for granted. I observed my mother always giving of her time and energy endlessly and uncomplainingly, and I also noticed that others (myself included) tended to see her time as less valuable than our own because she was so generous and selfless about it. Surely time was somehow more valuable for the rest of us who were always complaining about how busy we were?

nswef
10-10-22, 10:11am
Our 50 year old chair - that my husband loves, popped out a spring... So now...find someone who bothers with fixing chairs. I have one or two to call, but I get so frustrated that no one wants to FIX. They want new. I'm incapable of doing it myself. Once I would have tried, but not any more. I'm also looking into sash liners for our old windows. I found a place, but need to call to see if they will do the installation. Again...not in my skill set.

frugal-one
10-10-22, 5:44pm
I HATE TO SHOP!!!! I went today to get some new waking shoes. Of course, the only pair that I wanted was out of stock in my size. I came home with nothing. The last 2 pairs are fine to walk in but the tops rip by the toe. Think I will just wear matching socks and forget about it. Shopping to me is such an irritation.

pinkytoe
10-10-22, 11:00pm
Shopping to me is such an irritation.
Me too. DH and I went to several stores today in search of his favorite type of pocket tee shirt. Tried ordering from amazon once and the sizing was odd/quality bad so we decided to try retail. Three stores and none had his size in dark colors like he prefers. Came home empty-handed. What a wasted morning...

iris lilies
10-12-22, 7:28pm
[TLDR: 5 Shipments for the same order have been received and all of them wrong.]

Our kitchen cabinets in Herman were provided by Diamond company through Lowe’s. Nice cabinets, I’m happy with them,, everything went smoothly except for one thing and that is apparently a special order to get cabinet doors with no fronts so that we can put in glass.

The ordering of these things was so convoluted that our Lowe’s representative said “I’ll just order them for you later, and you don’t have to pay for them.”

That was February. By June of our cabinets came and DH installed them. All but these four cabinet doors. Since then we’ve had five incorrect shipments. As of today we have three of the doors, we just need one more.

Yesterday we drove 30 miles to the Lowe’s store because we had an appointment with the kitchen cabinet designer who has already sold us two incorrect shipments. We brought with us one of the cabinet doors that is correct so that we could show him exactly what we want.

After driving 30 miles there, we found that he was not at work that day, he had called in sick. When we asked to speak to the store manager that guy didn’t have any good suggestions Tell us to come back and talk to the kitchen designer.

At some point I’ll probably contact Diamond directly. See, I haven’t wanted to complain too much up to this point because we were not in a huge hurry for these cabinet doors, they are free to us, we like the kitchen cabinets and Diamond did a really decent job in meeting the timeline they said they would meet. But FIVE incorrect shipments?

Update: today we received shipment #6. It was wrong.

This, after DH spent an hour with the Lowe’s cabinet guy, who then sent the order on to the Diamond cabinet company representative to check it and place the order.

Klunick
10-20-22, 7:25am
Thanks to a former cop becoming a pain pill drug addict, I have to testify in a murder trial next week. >:( I am the next in line for the chain of custody and without me, evidence wouldn't be allowed to be entered into the trial.

iris lilies
10-20-22, 8:13am
Thanks to a former cop becoming a pain pill drug addict, I have to testify in a murder trial next week. >:( I am the next in line for the chain of custody and without me, evidence wouldn't be allowed to be entered into the trial.
Thanks for your service.

Klunick
10-20-22, 10:13am
Thanks for your service.

I'm not an Officer. I am a civilian Police employee. That's what makes this even worse! I didn't sign up for having to testify in court cases. :laff:

nswef
10-20-22, 11:33am
Klucknick, That sounds awful. I hope it goes well.

Klunick
10-20-22, 12:12pm
Klucknick, That sounds awful. I hope it goes well.

Me too! I was supposed to go yesterday or today but the trial got postponed because one of the four defendants got Covid. Now it looks like it might be next Thursday or Friday that I would go. This is the second time in 28 years that I've had to go and testify so it is a rarity but I don't like it. First time was a long time ago when I work in the Warrant Unit and I had to testify that the Officer had the right to chase a guy because there was an active Felony warrant out for him. I have never been so nervous and my time on the stand only lasted a few minutes. This is a murder trial that literally spans the entire US because it's basically a huge drug operation that turned deadly. I am an introvert so the idea of having so many people staring at me is giving me great anxiety.

ToomuchStuff
10-20-22, 3:59pm
I'm not an Officer. I am a civilian Police employee. That's what makes this even worse! I didn't sign up for having to testify in court cases. :laff:

Subpoena?

Klunick
10-21-22, 12:37pm
Subpoena?

Yep. One for each of the four defendants. Saw them in my mailbox and was like, "What the heck??!!!"

iris lilies
10-21-22, 1:21pm
I'm not an Officer. I am a civilian Police employee. That's what makes this even worse! I didn't sign up for having to testify in court cases. :laff:
I still thank you for your service, your court service!

Tybee
10-22-22, 8:59am
I wish you could just give your testimony via video.
My mom's guardianship case was all done by video because of Covid.
But I doubt they would allow any of that in a murder trial.

Klunick
10-22-22, 5:04pm
I wish you could just give your testimony via video.
My mom's guardianship case was all done by video because of Covid.
But I doubt they would allow any of that in a murder trial.
I wish that too and thought about asking but figured they would say no.

Tradd
11-1-22, 9:37am
Rant: I’m on a couple of FB frugality groups and it’s disturbing how many people recommend others go to a food bank even if the person isn’t in need. My favorite recent comment was for someone to go to a food bank to get canned goods to have something put away for the winter. This attitude really pisses me off. Greedy, selfish people. Save the food pantries for people who actually need it, not just because you don’t want to spend some money on food. I wonder how many food pantries aren’t need based. A big one in my town is needs based.

It’s a knee jerk reaction on the frugality groups. Anytime anyone expresses any concern over grocery prices, the first thing you hear is “go to a food pantry.”

iris lilies
11-1-22, 10:20am
Yikes, that is weird about food pantry. I will ask my food pantry knowledgeable friends about how one qualifies for that service, I don’t think you just walk in.

But I understand, it is the mentality of the recommendation that is bad.

catherine
11-1-22, 11:01am
That is terrible, Tradd! There is a big difference between being frugal vs cheap vs being a thief. I think when you take something that is not intended for you, that is petty theft, and greed. That annoys me, too, when I see it.

I remember the backlash Amy D. (Tightwad Gazette) got when she said she went to breakfast buffets in hotels and stashed muffins in her bag for lunch. Same idea.

Teacher Terry
11-1-22, 11:14pm
That kinda crap really makes me sick. I don’t even like it when people that have a lot of money manipulate their income to qualify for Medicaid or ACA subsidies like young millionaires. I know it’s legal but unethical.

iris lilies
11-2-22, 11:53am
That kinda crap really makes me sick. I don’t even like it when people that have a lot of money manipulate their income to qualify for Medicaid or ACA subsidies like young millionaires. I know it’s legal but unethical.
I think it’s an ethical gray area, that’s for sure, with ACA subsidies being one step more virtuous, if you will,, than Medicaid millionaires. But it’s all the same thing.

On the other hand I will point out that the ACA eliminated my ability to buy catastrophic health insurance, So the fact that I took advantage of ACA subsidies just seems logical to me. Tit for tat Nanny G!

Tradd
11-2-22, 1:20pm
That is terrible, Tradd! There is a big difference between being frugal vs cheap vs being a thief. I think when you take something that is not intended for you, that is petty theft, and greed. That annoys me, too, when I see it.

I remember the backlash Amy D. (Tightwad Gazette) got when she said she went to breakfast buffets in hotels and stashed muffins in her bag for lunch. Same idea.

What makes this mentality even worse is that many food pantries are stretched really thin right now. Besides donations being down and additional demand from the current economic situation. So people not in need taking stuff, really doesn’t sit well with me.

Tradd
11-2-22, 1:29pm
Then there are the people who utterly lack common sense. Everything is a conspiracy. Turkey prices are high and my local store has a limit of one. It’s all corporate greed and inflation. When you point out bird flu is a big problem and lots of poultry had to be killed, they don’t believe you. I don’t like turkey anyway. A common sense alternative for a small holiday dinner would be to roast a whole chicken instead or have something else you like.

pinkytoe
11-2-22, 4:15pm
I continue to read about very healthy corporate profits so I wonder if inflation is the right word to explain current high prices.

iris lilies
11-2-22, 5:28pm
What makes this mentality even worse is that many food pantries are stretched really thin right now. Besides donations being down and additional demand from the current economic situation. So people not in need taking stuff, really doesn’t sit well with me.
I asked one friend who works weekly at her local food bank and she says they don’t really have any qualifying criteria for people they serve. They do want their clients to sign their name, address, number in household, and if they get SNAP benefits.

so I suppose anyone could walk in and take advantage.