I wonder if the gay pride parades that continue this year will allow uniformed police officers? Many of them have forbidden that in the past.
They are inclusive to all— except for some.
Some animals are more equal than others.
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I wonder if the gay pride parades that continue this year will allow uniformed police officers? Many of them have forbidden that in the past.
They are inclusive to all— except for some.
Some animals are more equal than others.
i’ve been going down a trans literature rabbit hole and will be reading Julia Serano’s seminal work Whipping Girl. I may or may not report on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
As for this article, it is easy to shoot the messenger and I don’t intend that, but I think it’s important to understand that Julia Serrano is a trans person and a trans activist, and she makes her living writing about trans issues. She calls herself a “scientist “but she certainly is not a practicing professional in the mental or physical health community.
As an aside, I find these days that calling oneself a “scientist” is intended as a discussion limiting label because if I am a scientist, you may not disagree with any of my assertions which, of course,is not at all the scientific method.
Anyway—-
The tone of this article is reasonable and she makes a couple good points, mainly that more trans people are coming out in society because it is more acceptable. She references the left hand/right hand analogy. She also strongly asserts that backing off from “affirmative care “is actually no care and it is harmful care. I disagree because careful thoughtful therapy is always appropriate yet transactivists consider that “conversion” therapy. Nonsense.
I do like the fact that Julia cites several recent studies from the years 2021, 2022, and 2023 but they do, of course bolster her arguments. And she realistically says that those who disagree with her can go out and find Other studies that will bolster THEIR argument.Her recognition of this adds to the reasonableness of her argument.
It does not mention at all, and this is a major lack, of the co morbidities that many trans youth have. In other words, they have mental illness challenges, autism, etc.
She cites the old chestnut of suicides for trans folks not supported despite those comorbidities, and studies that give context and elsborate and even conflict with that.
The. Umber of detransitioners cannot be measured but there are growing communities of them, oroviding support firvezch other that the LGB?t etc community does not provide.
So yeah, I see this as a well written article from a decided point of view from someone who makes their living promoting a specific point of view about transgender individuals.
In the rabbit hole I’ve gone down, I encountered the Utah legislator, who is a Republican, who is very pro trans for his state, but in reality, he’s really a libertarian. So, it’s not hard to be a libertarian and want the state to stay out of private matters such as specific health treatments.
I also watched a video about Dr. Marci Bowers who is probably the leading trans surgeon in the country, and several things came out of that I found interesting which I may expound on further at another time.
A final thought: my voice to text software writes “trance” instead of “ trans.” Does that mean he/she/they are transphobic since they won’t even use the word?
https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/why-marci-matters
dr. Marci bowers is pro trans surgery having done 2000 vaginaplasties, i.e. bottom surgeries. She played a role in fixing some of Jazz Jennings’surgical problems. She is very well-known in the trans world.
The article above mentioned some of the problems she sees in current trans medical treatments. I’m not sure you’ll be able to read this sub stack article because it might be behind a pay wall but you can get the gist of it in a couple of paragraphs.
Lack of orgasmic function is one of the problems coming to light very recently, all due to puberty blockers given at younger ages. That is pretty awful.
Dr. Bowers and E. Anderson are experiencing quite a lot of pushback and social censure for speaking to Abigail Shrier in this article I cited. It’s encouraging that these 2 leaders in the trans health community are counseling some caution in these issues.
From the comments section if this article:
“…Imagine a world where the feminine boy and the masculine girl are supported and loved exactly as they are, with no pressure to change a thing about themselves.”
“…Imagine a world where the feminine boy and the masculine girl are supported and loved exactly as they are, with no pressure to change a thing about themselves.”
That's certainly the way it should be.
Well, we certainly do live in bizarre times. First we have Ted Cruz speaking out against Uganda's kill the gays law, which was startling on it's own. But then we have the asshole that delivered the invocation at DeSantis' inauguration blasting Cruz for pointing out that the Ugandan law is horrific and wrong. Assuming a member of the press ever gets close enough to DeSantis to ask him about it (a big if considering how terrified he is (with good reason) of talking to the press, I wonder if DeSantis will 1) ignore the whole thing and pretend not to know anything about the doublespeak answer the asshole gave when being called out, 2) offer a tepid "I just want gay people to shut up and go back in the closet, not get stoned to death" response, or 3) actually agree with Cruz's very reasonable statement.
It's been interesting to watch Democrats and the press (sorry for being repetitious) go to such extremes trying to diminish DeSantis through innuendo and false claims. Bizarre times indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That horrific Ugandan law was enthusiastically encouraged by a bunch of American evangelists--who should, were there such a place, burn in hell for ignoring Christ's teachings.
Okay----Uganda has gotten bad press by The Liberal Media, for a long time, now. Prolly the reason is, the country is not leftist enough. But you know what? Awhile back, I looked on g-maps and the street view of Uganda, and it looks pretty livable. As you know, western nations have a tendency to pave the earth over completely, and big real estate owns the means of consumption--real estate on every byway. Uganda has lots and lots of small businesses selling stuff. The urban layout isn't all crammed together, as in latin America. That tells me something. So, I figure any time Uganda can be held up as an example of non-lefty behavior, Big Media goes for it.
So the guy didn’t speak at desantis’ inauguration? Or is it that you think desantis enjoys, and is good at, speaking to the press?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Uganda doesn’t look livable to me. In fact it’s not livable for me now that I am punishable by death. It must be nice to have the luxury of being a cisgender heterosexual male and be able to ignore things like Uganda’s new law.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebittybobby
I have no idea who spoke at the inauguration, if you say someone did and they later said something you find offensive, I believe you. As for public speaking and the press, I get the feeling DeSantis is a little more introverted than the average politician, but I don't find that to be a hindrance to governance and I doubt you would either if he was a Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That preacher has been offensive since long before he spoke at feds this inauguration. Far more offensive than Jeremiah wright, who republicans were all bent out of shape about. And Obama didn’t invite weight to speak at his inauguration.
The few times I’ve seen desantis speak unscripted to the media he has come across not as introverted but as incredibly thin skinned. I imagine that will become evident to even his most ardent supporters when he hits true debate stage.
Whether or not someone is an introvert has nothing to do with his/her character.
For politicians it is a handicap.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
as for the Reverend Jeremiah Wright (who I completely forgot about) geez, JP, don’t you think President Obama had taken the hint of the displeasure of many for his close association with that racist preacher guy, you know, the one who married him and baptize his children, and had enough sense not to bring him along to Washington DC? He left all that in Chicago where it belongs.
I agree it can be a handicap. Wasn't Nixon an introvert? At any rate, I won't be running for office any time soon...:~)Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Rundown of introverts who were US presidents:https://www.inc.com/john-rampton/are...residents.html
Well, then don't move there, and startup a small shop selling TV sets or shoes or furniture. Move to San Francisco, where you'll fit right in, and try and find anything affordable to rent, much less startup a business. That said--start seeing a pattern that leads to success, not to failure. Hope that helps you some.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I’m living the successful life in the Bay Area thank you very much. Not gonna move to a shithole like southwest mizzoira. Or Uganda. Is there much difference? Hope that helps sum. Thank meeee…Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebittybobby
I think you would really like Annabel by Kathleen Winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dBRJor...BjaGlsZA%3D%3D
This is a video interview with a lesbian mother, who came to the realization that she was actively leading her sons into transgender ism, and who now condemns the movement as a “belief system.” Her tone is reasonable, realistic, and regret for her role during the two years her kids explored their trans identities. Fortunately, no medical treatment took place. They were too young.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates...outh-outcomes/
A good article about why about the overview of “detransitioners” with estimates on that population’s numbers, and commentary on why the lack of studies of anything that might be considered against the transgender ideology is dangerous for researchers. Dr. Debra Soh, sexuality researcher in Canada, has said, that is why she left academia, because there was no freedom to research the topics she wanted to research, they were considered trans phobic.
Rosa, I just read the review on Amazon about the book “Annabel” and it does sound intriguing. I might try that one.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wire...eral-100257488
This is frightening. I don't care what the situation is. Can politicians and their enforcers gaining access to medical records resist the temptation to use them as retribution or punishment for political gain? I certainly would not trust my governor now presidential candidate DeSantis.
Patients are rightfully frightened.
you are wise to be suspicious of government overreach in obtaining and using any personal information, any government of any level be it the feds or the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
But in answer to your question yes apparently governmental entities can obtain patient health information through exclusions in HIPPA and also through the abomination known as the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act was signed, sealed delivered and affirmed by your favorite Democrats as well as Republicans so everyone had their hand in creating this monstrosity.
But they don’t even need to get court orders to use personal information in a threatening way. We can all remember the Obama goons at the IRS harassing politically conservative organizations through their tool of taxation. Did any IRS heads roll for that fiasco? President Obama had the power to do that, but I doubt that he did it.
I was genuinely surprised to see the presence of “Gays Against Groomers” at the downtown St. Louis Pride event last weekend. The news showed a video clip, and I was gratified to see they were young people, well, at least they weren’t old like me, and some of them were young enough to be my granddaughters. There was about six or seven shown in the video clip, and they were respectful and just making their presence known.
i’m not sure if this would be considered harassment and counted as one of the 346 instances of violence against the LGBT community currently being measured. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is marked down in that “hate action” column. Whatever.
To refresh everyone’s memory, Gays Against Groomers object to medicalized transition of minors who believe they are transgender.
The Anti Defamation League paired up with GLAAD to count incidents of crimes against the LGBTQ, etc. community. They counted 356 cases in 9 months.
https://www.adl.org/anti-lgbtq-hate-...-and-extremism
I wonder if the trans activist who came after the Tennessee leader of Gays Against Groomers with a broken bottle will be reported as a hate crime? This happened in downtown St. Louis a few days ago.
Why wouldn’t it be reported, it’s a harassing threat against an LGBT, etc. person? Seems logical to me. The Tennessee leader Micki Cutler talked about her interaction with that trans activist in a Twitter video which I am unable to link to.
I actually think it’s useful to have some sort of accounting mechanism since we hear all the time about the hate crimes against the LGBT community. I’m just not sure the methodology is sound, though. Fact is, as I look through the reporting form, it is pretty unsound.
So, I was at a Master Gardener meeting at the local library, which I'm sure has a very small patronage, given the population of the town (939). We were talking about doing basic botany for kids, and one of our MGs who is also on the library board mentioned off-handedly that the drag queen story hour is by far the most popular offering the library has for kids.
Just sayin'
I have no idea what the content of this offering is, and given that this county in VT is very split liberal/conservative, now I'm curious. I may steal a grandkid and check it out the next time it comes around.
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Originally Posted by catherine
yes, no doubt. I saw a video of Drag Queen Story Hour at the St. Louis Public library downtown facility, which is always hard to get families to because parking is a bitch, and it was a big audience. With all the publicity surrounding it, why wouldn’t it be?
this facility does not have rubber swings attached to the ceiling, or sturdy enough Infrastructure to attach a pole for, you know, pole dancing, and bare bottom swing performances. I imagine all they’re doing is reading to children, kind of boring, but they probably pass out business cards inviting everyone to their “family friendly “ (NOT) shows.
The queens are making coin these days.
You know I've always wondered what the purpose of Drag Queen Story Hour might be, but I think you may have it right. Libraries and suburban moms get to virtue signal on the public dime and Drag Queens get favorable advertising. Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I honestly do not know if drag queens are being paid at the St. Louis public library. All that nonsense started after I retired. We had a tradition of dignitaries and celebrities like Cardinals baseball players presenting story hours, and they were, of course, volunteers. But if it’s billed as a program rather than a plain vanilla story hour, they may be paid because there’s a budget for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Regardless of whether they’re being paid at the library, I know that the huge popularity and media attention to drag queens performing for children has led to them forming companies and putting together things like Drag queen Brunch and Drag queen Bingo, all billed as “family friendly. “ That’s very common. They also give performances in public schools and I know they’re paid for that.
Being a drag queen you might work two or three nights out of the week for what, a hundred bucks? And free drinks. Unless you were a headliner, you weren’t paying rent with that money and probably even headliners in St. Louis weren’t paying their rent. But now they have day jobs as well, doubling their performing opportunities.
I think that drag queens are probably far better performers/enteratiners than introverted writers blandly reading to hyper-sensitized children's brains and that may be all it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I’m curious to know why you think our youth librarians would have introverted persons blandly reading? You’ve got be a bit theatrical in that situation, drag queen or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
One time I nearly had to give a story hour back 30 years ago when one of our youth librarians took sick, but fortunately someone came to my rescue. I can’t do that. The idea still horrifies me.
I steered way clear of story hour at my library; in fact, I steered clear of the children's section in general as much as possible. Drag queen story hour would be fine with me, but I still would have made myself scarce.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I absolutely fail to see the threat posed by drag queens--are they supposed to start kids on the slippery slope of accepting other people as human beings?
I love to read to my grandkids and I like to think they enjoy it--after all, I was a theatre major in college. But I do think that some drag queens may have a more festive and fun flair to their performances that may be appealing to youngsters. As a one-time actor whose cerebral approach to acting prevented me from attaining success, I suspect that a lot of librarians might have the same Achilles heel. I would LOVE to be a youth librarian, because I love books and I love kids, but I suspect my ability to draw families in is pretty dismal. OTOH if people who really know how to perform--no matter how they identify themselves--can bring kids into the library, I'm all for it, as long as they stay within the boundaries of propriety.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I am definitely going to check out the next drag queen show at our local library.
The days when a large collection of books was enough of a draw seem to be over. They need a gimmick to tear them away from the interactive freak show on their phones.
You have refused, then, to look at the video footage provided many places, including here—by me—of deliberately sexualized shows for children.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I don't begrudge the entertainment. I begrudge the trend of the printed word being relegated to a 3x4 inch screen, and print communication being confined to tweets and captions on Instagram. Do I get upset when I see 3/4's of the real estate of a Barnes & Noble (what's left of them) being taken up by toys? Yes, but frankly, we might as well spend our time ruing the fate of Medieval illuminations because the era of classic print books won't likely persist much longer and there's nothing we can do about it except act like fogies and Luddites.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
What library or other facility isn't establishing clear guidelines for performances? (Like "Don't show up in a thong. Your first twerk will be your last.") I'm skeptical that these aren't staged examples to activate pearl-clutching impulses, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
You are right, I didn’t make my thoughts clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Certainly, the library where I worked for would not put up with tits and ass drag shows for children.
But I’m of the firm belief that when drag queens were anointed ss as the ambassadors of… Whatever they are selling…in story times for babies, that was one major societal barrier down. From that came the whole idea of “family friendly” drag shows. It is these shows where the tits and ass come out. Giant fat tits in some cases. Bare asses. Sexual innuendo, etc.
Did anyone else see Ron DeSantis's hate the gays campaign video? Aside from being incredibly creepy it was possibly the most homoerotic thing I've seen in the past month.
https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/...99610379116546
I may surprise you by agreeing that it’s a dumb ad, and unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Some wise gay folks are distancing themselves from the “T+” crowd of LGBTQ+ after observations that tolerance for LGBTQ plus folks as a whole has dropped since the “T+” crowd has commandeered the conversation.
Here, an original Stonewall activist and founder of gay Pride parades all over, gives his view after being attacked by trans activist in a recent Pride event.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lx7uRPsLRE
I agree the ad is unnecessary. It’s not like desantis has been unclear about the hate in his heart. But I suppose that ‘low information’ voters need to be reminded of that whether they agree with the hate or not.
It will be interesting to see how many LGBTQIA voters decide to throw trans folks under the bus out of fear for their own existence.