Uh...it matters little. Billary will serve the GOP well in her policies and the wealthy power elite will get well taken care of.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
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Uh...it matters little. Billary will serve the GOP well in her policies and the wealthy power elite will get well taken care of.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Her turn whatever. Though I will say that this country is over 200 years old and we're finally getting to the point where a woman may be President? A bit overdue, no? Though I'd prefer Elizabeth Warren over Hillary any day.....RobQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I've recently been given to believe that gender is a social construct. Is it right and/or proper to prefer her because of her sex?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I've had that same thought myself many times the past several months. 2016 should have been a great year. The most likely opponent was a long-service hack encumbered by a truckload of baggage with negative approval ratings usually seen for an unpopular incumbent. Not only that, but she's dealing with a socialist identifying as a Democrat who's pushed her to ridiculous left-wing positions and keeps bringing up her side job as the story lady for bankers. Their debates on "the issues" focus on who will hand out the most free stuff and empty out the prisons faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
But what do the Republicans do? They decide to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They scour the country to find candidates every bit as unlikable as she is: a vulgarian with liberal big-government instincts who thinks violating the various taboos of political correctness makes you a conservative, and the most hated man in the Senate (at least outside the Democratic Caucus). I could weep.
There is some truth to that. As Gloria Steinem and Susan Brownmiller said of women "We are all female impersonators." So much of how both (all?) genders present themselves follows a social template.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I agree, but the gender I am seen as still has an effect on my life. It is getting much much better however!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
In the same way race shouldn't matter. And to some people of the dominant (white) race in our culture it doesn't. But to non-white people it does matter because they have to interact with white people for whom race very much does matter. They dont' have the luxury of deciding to only interact with the white people for whom race does not matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoe Girl
So Trump won big in the Northeast tonight.
And he is a genius--he's cozying up to Bernie, saying the media has treated Bernie as badly as they treated him.. quoting Bernie saying Hillary isn't fit to be President... saying that Bernie would do great if he ran as an independent. Of course, if Bernie runs as an independent, he splits the Democratic vote and Trump strolls to the White House.
This is really too much...
Bernie is going back to Vermont for a nice retirement. Clinton would have preferred to crush Cruz in the general election but now she is going to have to deal with the unknown. Are there more elites and progressives than there are pissed off middleclass? How many who feel the Bern, will pull a lever for Hillary over Donald?Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
The reason Hillary wins is that the Republican establishment is all in on keeping their own presumptive nominee Trump out of the Presidency.
I'm a woman and I don't know what earthly good it will do for women. One might ask for a rational argument but I suspect there is none. Is there any evidence of women being more equal in countries that have had women leaders than those that haven't? Like say Thatchers Britain. But really most countries on earth have had women leaders at one point, even those where women actually are kind of second class citizens, I think the U.S. is kind of a serious anomaly there. So were women better off afterwards because of it, are women there more equal or have more opportunities relative to men than in the U.S.? Actual evidence. Or how can anyone claim that electing Hillary means ANYTHING AT ALL for women in general unless they can show any evidence of this phenomena actually having happened anywhere. Or are we just supposed to believe any theory at all no matter how little evidence it has?Quote:
In the same way race shouldn't matter. And to some people of the dominant (white) race in our culture it doesn't. But to non-white people it does matter because they have to interact with white people for whom race very much does matter. They dont' have the luxury of deciding to only interact with the white people for whom race does not matter.
Now I don't like when Hillary is criticized on sexist grounds (like her clothes etc.) but that is a specific thing, I disapprove of criticism that is specifically gender based and not that would apply regardless of gender, it doesn't mean supporting her.
Driving into work today, I listened to a public radio call in show on the topic of Bernie. The majority of callers insisted that they were with Bernie to the end and would write him in. Party unity was not a priority for them. Even bearing in mind that public radio audiences tend to lean a certain way in politics and reality in general, I thought it was interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
I like this idea. I might just do it!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
While that's tempting I'm old enough to remember the 2000 election disaster and eight years of follow on ramifications. Hopefully Bernie will be able to convince people that a Trump presidency isn't really helpful towards his goals/ideals.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Based on some of what he's said, he seems to be taking a longer view of the historical dialectic that doesn't necessarily accommodate the best near-term interests of the Democratic Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
While I think the idea is interesting, it reminds me that every once in awhile I go to a nice restaurant that has filet mignon on the menu. I just love the tender juicy taste of a medium rare filet mignon. I sit down and peruse the menu just to go through the motions and just before I order, the price starts to get into my mind. Almost without fail, I opt for a stuffed porkchop or chicken breast.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Amen, brother!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Dems have been hoodwinking well-meaning but naive liberals for decades with this vote for the lesser of two evils (me!) crap with all its short-sightedness.
I am writing in The Bern!
Why go to a restaurant if you're not going to avail yourself of the best it has to offer? Why not just stay home?Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
I'm choosing the filet mignon and writing Bernie in.
I also seem to remember lots of very angry Clinton supporters 8 years ago vowing not to vote for Obama. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/08/clinton.voters/ In the end it didn't really play out that way. Whether Bernie supporters are more principled or are just talk like Clinton supporters were will only become fully clear in a little over six months.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Because sometimes I'm able to remember the heartburn of a too rich meal so I make a better choice even if it's not what I really want.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
I remember that. They called themselves PUMAs.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Nothing wrong with self-restraint, but I'd rather deny myself the junk food and go for the real nutrition.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I certainly agree that Bernie Sanders is more nutritious (in this metaphorical context) than Clinton. But I question whether writing him in in November will get me much metaphorical nutrition. The heartburn of a Trump presidency might outweigh that Bernie nutrition. Unplanned revolutions rarely end the way the participants expect, and trying to win the Bernie revolution with a Trump presidency is about as unplanned as one can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
It seems nobody will have much by way of happy choices this year. Except perhaps stakeholders in the Clinton Foundation.
Amen, sistah!Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
How did that Cruz-Kasich Alliance pan out?
About as well as the Hitler-Stalin Nonaggression Pact.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
Glib. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
But really? Did it work at all?
And to carry this food metaphor to its end, Hillary is like a big mac. (it was, after all, Bill's favorite food for years) Everyone knows what's inside. No surprise. Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun. Not at all inspiring or new or interesting. Bernie is like a good Neiman Ranch burger. Medium rare. Not overdone. I would certianly rather have the second, but if too many people in November vote for the Bernie burger, not only will we not get Bernie burgers, but we won't get the Big Mac either. Instead the whole country will be stuck with a nasty steaming pack of White Castle sliders. Greasy and vile and sending us all running for the bathroom with a big case of the sh**s.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Well, Trump won all five states with 50-60% of the vote, so I'm inclined to think it didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
California may actually matter this year. That's how bleak things are.
haha... good points. In any case, this menu calls for a change of restaurant management...Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Forgive my ignorance, but why would Cali matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Americans could stand to skip a meal. We are a big and gluttonous folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Clearly you have no concept of fine cuisine. White Castle is one of this county's great institutions. Anyone who would deliberately choose a Big Mac over a WC slider five-pack is more to be pitied than despised.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I think it will be that close that the delegate count will be below 1237 for Mr. T. When the Circus comes to Lotusland.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
White Castle is big here in ColumbOhio.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
An acquaintance of mine is a long time vegetarian -- he jogs, plays soccer, eats at Whole Foods salad/hot bar daily.
And he says the only thing -- the only thing! -- he misses from his meat-eating days is White Castle sliders! hahaha
Personally I happen to think it's awesome that the california primary might actually matter this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Oh wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Is he still allowed to eat their top-flight onion rings?Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
No amount of kale will buy you immortality. If sliders shave a year or two off my life, it will be a small enough price to pay.
FOr me White Castle is just a bus stop in Jersey City. I used to ride a private bus company bus (Community Lines) to work every morning. The buses were beat up old airport shuttle buses that didn't even have a stop rope to signal one's stop. Instead people just called out "Next Stop!" or "La Parada!". But the last stop before the terminal was always called out by name, "White Castle!"Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Edited to add: And in fact, google street view shows one of the Community Lines buses headed up the street across from the White Castle stop. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wh...948604!6m1!1e1
I have always found New Jersey to be a civilized place. Except maybe parts of Newark.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1