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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Honestly, for the life of me.......why did the GOP have only the saddest of the sad as candidates to offer, if they truly want the White House?
    Uh...it matters little. Billary will serve the GOP well in her policies and the wealthy power elite will get well taken care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Dude! It's her turn!

    Stop with your patriarchal negativity already.

    Her turn whatever. Though I will say that this country is over 200 years old and we're finally getting to the point where a woman may be President? A bit overdue, no? Though I'd prefer Elizabeth Warren over Hillary any day.....Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Her turn whatever. Though I will say that this country is over 200 years old and we're finally getting to the point where a woman may be President? A bit overdue, no? Though I'd prefer Elizabeth Warren over Hillary any day.....Rob
    I've recently been given to believe that gender is a social construct. Is it right and/or proper to prefer her because of her sex?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Honestly, for the life of me.......why did the GOP have only the saddest of the sad as candidates to offer, if they truly want the White House? I myself have issues with Hillary but she will get my vote over what the GOP offers.....at least Dems are speaking of actual issues. Should they win and should anything change remain to be seen. Rob
    I've had that same thought myself many times the past several months. 2016 should have been a great year. The most likely opponent was a long-service hack encumbered by a truckload of baggage with negative approval ratings usually seen for an unpopular incumbent. Not only that, but she's dealing with a socialist identifying as a Democrat who's pushed her to ridiculous left-wing positions and keeps bringing up her side job as the story lady for bankers. Their debates on "the issues" focus on who will hand out the most free stuff and empty out the prisons faster.

    But what do the Republicans do? They decide to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They scour the country to find candidates every bit as unlikable as she is: a vulgarian with liberal big-government instincts who thinks violating the various taboos of political correctness makes you a conservative, and the most hated man in the Senate (at least outside the Democratic Caucus). I could weep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I've recently been given to believe that gender is a social construct. Is it right and/or proper to prefer her because of her sex?
    There is some truth to that. As Gloria Steinem and Susan Brownmiller said of women "We are all female impersonators." So much of how both (all?) genders present themselves follows a social template.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I've recently been given to believe that gender is a social construct. Is it right and/or proper to prefer her because of her sex?
    I agree, but the gender I am seen as still has an effect on my life. It is getting much much better however!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Girl View Post
    I agree, but the gender I am seen as still has an effect on my life. It is getting much much better however!
    In the same way race shouldn't matter. And to some people of the dominant (white) race in our culture it doesn't. But to non-white people it does matter because they have to interact with white people for whom race very much does matter. They dont' have the luxury of deciding to only interact with the white people for whom race does not matter.

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    So Trump won big in the Northeast tonight.

    And he is a genius--he's cozying up to Bernie, saying the media has treated Bernie as badly as they treated him.. quoting Bernie saying Hillary isn't fit to be President... saying that Bernie would do great if he ran as an independent. Of course, if Bernie runs as an independent, he splits the Democratic vote and Trump strolls to the White House.

    This is really too much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    So Trump won big in the Northeast tonight.

    And he is a genius--he's cozying up to Bernie, saying the media has treated Bernie as badly as they treated him.. quoting Bernie saying Hillary isn't fit to be President... saying that Bernie would do great if he ran as an independent. Of course, if Bernie runs as an independent, he splits the Democratic vote and Trump strolls to the White House.

    This is really too much...
    Bernie is going back to Vermont for a nice retirement. Clinton would have preferred to crush Cruz in the general election but now she is going to have to deal with the unknown. Are there more elites and progressives than there are pissed off middleclass? How many who feel the Bern, will pull a lever for Hillary over Donald?

    The reason Hillary wins is that the Republican establishment is all in on keeping their own presumptive nominee Trump out of the Presidency.

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    In the same way race shouldn't matter. And to some people of the dominant (white) race in our culture it doesn't. But to non-white people it does matter because they have to interact with white people for whom race very much does matter. They dont' have the luxury of deciding to only interact with the white people for whom race does not matter.
    I'm a woman and I don't know what earthly good it will do for women. One might ask for a rational argument but I suspect there is none. Is there any evidence of women being more equal in countries that have had women leaders than those that haven't? Like say Thatchers Britain. But really most countries on earth have had women leaders at one point, even those where women actually are kind of second class citizens, I think the U.S. is kind of a serious anomaly there. So were women better off afterwards because of it, are women there more equal or have more opportunities relative to men than in the U.S.? Actual evidence. Or how can anyone claim that electing Hillary means ANYTHING AT ALL for women in general unless they can show any evidence of this phenomena actually having happened anywhere. Or are we just supposed to believe any theory at all no matter how little evidence it has?

    Now I don't like when Hillary is criticized on sexist grounds (like her clothes etc.) but that is a specific thing, I disapprove of criticism that is specifically gender based and not that would apply regardless of gender, it doesn't mean supporting her.
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