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    Proud of our UK NHS, flaws and all!

    The idea of not having universal healthcare as a right would frighten me to death!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IshbelRobertson View Post
    Proud of our UK NHS, flaws and all!

    The idea of not having universal healthcare as a right would frighten me to death!
    I've been frightened by this in the US for years! Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by try2bfrugal View Post
    The teachers in the public school district our kids went to do not have employer provided health insurance. None at all.

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    That's interesting, where is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lily View Post
    That's interesting, where is that?
    I am not going to give you my address, but you can read this -

    http://www.insureme.com/health-insur...e-for-teachers

    "Now posing a dramatic and serious challenge for school districts across the country, health insurance is no longer a guaranteed financial benefit for teachers."

    The teachers in our district gave up health insurance years ago in exchange for higher wages, before health insurance rates skyrocketed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by try2bfrugal View Post
    I am not going to give you my address, but you can read this -

    http://www.insureme.com/health-insur...e-for-teachers

    "Now posing a dramatic and serious challenge for school districts across the country, health insurance is no longer a guaranteed financial benefit for teachers."

    The teachers in our district gave up health insurance years ago in exchange for higher wages, before health insurance rates skyrocketed.
    Address? General vicinity, especially city was all I was interested in, or even the state.

    But never mind, Walter White and his cronies DO have health insurance package and a tidy one if I am to believe the website tool of the Albuquerque schools:

    http://www.aps.edu/human-resources/benefits

    That said, I lived in New Mexico and know how poor that state is, and it's likely that if any school districts are without health insurance, some of those would be in NM. Albuquerque would be one of the richer districts in the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    That said, I lived in New Mexico and know how poor that state is, and it's likely that if any school districts are without health insurance, some of those would be in NM. Albuquerque would be one of the richer districts in the state.
    Whether Walter White had or should have had insurance or not, it doesn't change the fact that millions of Americans are without any health insurance at all. The New York Times reported this number as 48 million.

    That is more uninsured in the U.S. than the entire population of Canada (48 million vs 35 million).

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    Quote Originally Posted by try2bfrugal View Post
    Whether Walter White had or should have had insurance or not, it doesn't change the fact that millions of Americans are without any health insurance at all. The New York Times reported this number as 48 million.

    That is more uninsured in the U.S. than the entire population of Canada (48 million vs 35 million).
    This has for years really gotten under my skin. Given that my mindset is more about the collective good of society, how do I forgive America for this? I don't know, I've never found a way to do so. I'm hoping that ObamaCare will be the vehicle that lets me drop this.....Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    This has for years really gotten under my skin. Given that my mindset is more about the collective good of society, how do I forgive America for this?
    Just out of curiosity Rob, what have you done all those years to provide for your own services other than to vote for whoever you thought would provide them for you?

    If you cannot forgive America for not providing everything you want, how should America feel about your refusal to do the same?
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Just out of curiosity Rob, what have you done all those years to provide for your own services other than to vote for whoever you thought would provide them for you?

    If you cannot forgive America for not providing everything you want, how should America feel about your refusal to do the same?
    As I have posted time and time again, I see access to health care as a basic human right. Every other country in the developed world provides this and at a lower cost than our system in the US. What I have problems forgiving is that human life in the US has not been worth access to health care for so many - there is no structure, single payer, socialized, universal, whatever you want to call it - to provide this in the US. Until ObamaCare came along - and now we have a government shutdown as some folks in DC don't believe human life is worth access to health care. How does a thinking person that has comparison shopped their US citizenship against other countries citizenship forgive such a basic glaring lack? I have yet to ever run across anyone who could answer this question. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Just out of curiosity Rob, what have you done all those years to provide for your own services other than to vote for whoever you thought would provide them for you?

    If you cannot forgive America for not providing everything you want, how should America feel about your refusal to do the same?
    So when 48 million people don't have health insurance, more people than the entire population of Canada, most of them working low income families, the sole reason as you see it is a lack of personal responsibility for all 48 million? Even though the majority do work, many are children, and one third don't have insurance because they lost their job?

    The answer is to just tell all 48 million to take more personal responsibility, and the problem would be solved? Does that mean the U.S. shouldn't have any waiters, fast food workers, farm workers or retail store workers because most of those jobs do not come with health insurance?

    Alan, if you lost your job tomorrow would you have health insurance?

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