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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Were your neighbors able to move to a better area after their windfall? What is the crime rate for the area? I wonder how many are assaulted by police compared to the local thugs.

    How much money did they get?
    The neighbors didn't move....they had considered it but were afraid to move to a less Hispanic more white area after seeing that their rights truly didn't mean much as far as Caucasian police were concerned. So they stayed put and paid off their house. Something good that has come out of this is that more and more neighbors have been getting cheap smartphones - right now you can get a good one for $20 at Metro PCS with a $40 total monthly bill with audio and video and the neighborhood watch organization has sent the police a statement to the effect that neighborhood residents are taking police brutality seriously and are equipping themselves with smartphones to capture video and audio of illegal police behavior. Also this has been forwarded to the mayor's office and I have to say in the past couple of weeks I have seen fewer cop cars clinging and lingering about and the one that did pass me a few days ago did not attempt to ask me an arrogant question as they so often do.

    Moving back to your point, dmc, I wouldn't move out of the neighborhood if I came into some large windfall - six figures before the decimal point but I don't know the exact amount the neighbors were able to get - to do so would be to live amongst people who tend to be OK with such illegal police behavior or are willing to look the other way and give the police a free pass. I'd be guilty of condoning police brutality in an indirect way by moving to a "better" area and I don't want to live with that, I deserve better. Once you see police brutality at work right in front of you, there is no trust possible nor is there any going back towards faith in the system - ironically, in my case, I had little of either before I witnessed this.

    I will say it is nice that Medicaid was expanded and even though earlier this year I had issues with whether or not I was covered - I'm grateful. So some good has taken place and I won't deny that. But, but, but.....Is it too much to ask for to not live in fear of the police illegally assaulting me for no reason? My take living in a lower income neighborhood is that in America, yes, this is asking for too much. I'm grateful every day that I'm white, not that I think white people are so great but statistically I'm less likely to be illegally assaulted by the police - neighbors tell me white skin equals a higher chance of calling the media and suing - what a sad perception as this needs to be automatic across all races. At any rate, I'll most likely stay put where I am until leaving America, or if I stay and move, it will be to somewhere like Douglas, on the border, with a large Hispanic population.

    As far as how many are assaulted by police, I can't tell you. I hear stories at the neighborhood watch that I tend to believe of Hispanics walking home from work late a night stopped the police and thrown down and attacked but I was not there and I have only posted of the one incident I witnessed out of fairness. So many people where I live are terrified by the police as the perception is brown skin equals no rights in America, ditto for low income. This perception is not going to change any time soon and I don't see police behavior changing either without huge settlements and a great deal of negative publicity. At least where I live residents are equipping themselves with smartphones and warning the police of the intention of suing and warning the police of the intention to move about in pairs as to better protect themselves against the police and to better capture audio and video if necessary. And yes, America is truly that bad for some of it's citizens/legal residents. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    I would say that 50 million would be excessive. Too bad the officer did not go to prison.
    To me, if assaulted illegally by the police, there has never been enough money printed for an adequate settlement - every dollar you can get is retaliation against a system that hypocritically and illegally allows this to happen. Every dollar you can get is inspiration to the next person illegally assaulted to retaliate via litigation, which of course is incentive for the next person and so on and so on. But I do agree that the officer should have gone to prison, too - see what I mean about police being above the law in America? Charges have not even been filed against the officer involved but at least 1.5 million - far far far too little in my book - has been paid out. At least in the courts to date one can retaliate and in a way that hurts. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    So, no, you didn't take Econ 101. Got it.

    Your "lasting economic damage" and "terror of bankruptcy" fall upon the community being oppressed by the police, not the police. Beating Peter to pay Paul. Insurance companies don't change the equation, they simply further spread the responsibility to other parties not involved in the incident, further removing incentives for behavioural change.
    I did take Econ 101 in college - unfortunately Econ 101 did not cover the realities of being attacked/assaulted by the police illegally and the risks you run in certain subsets of the US population as to being vulnerable to such. Econ 101 is all well and fine but after realizing that the police tend towards behaving as if above the law and once you realize that you are in a vulnerable class as far as illegal police behavior - human nature takes over. Gunning for dollars and retaliation and publicity. As people very well should. As I've said many times, the good in Ferguson may very well be huge lawsuit payouts across the US earned by those victimized illegally by the police - and the incentive that more and more and more will see to sue going forward. Rob

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    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ice-shootings/

    So glad to see that the St Louis County police academy isn't attempting something wimpy like a class to help cops relearn when it's appropriate to shoot someone or methods to subdue someone that don't involve subduing them forever. Much better and more productive to have a class on how to handle the PR after one of your cops kills an unarmed member of the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ice-shootings/

    So glad to see that the St Louis County police academy isn't attempting something wimpy like a class to help cops relearn when it's appropriate to shoot someone or methods to subdue someone that don't involve subduing them forever. Much better and more productive to have a class on how to handle the PR after one of your cops kills an unarmed member of the public.
    I read about this online and was thinking of posting it/referencing it here but decided that I'd posted enough and that by now everyone knows where I stand anyhow. Just wanted to say Thank You for posting this.....Rob

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    I figured it'd been 27 hours since anyone posted on this thread so I had to do something to revive it...

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    Oh gosh............just let it die already!

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    http://www.kmov.com/news/just-posted...277346131.html

    A Ferguson cop has been shot. It's only in the arm, but no idea what happened yet.

    Rob, are you going to applaud this?

    Look at some of these tweets.

    http://twitchy.com/2014/09/28/he-des...mpaign=twitter
    Last edited by Tradd; 9-28-14 at 12:23am.

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    The police officer prolly wasn't the intended target; he might've just been caught in the crossfire during a dispute between several of Ferguson's VERY fine upstanding citizens.

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    The poor person who shot that cop probably is traumatized by the whole experience. Perhaps he'll win a big civil settlement to help him recover. Rob should be gleeful at the thought.

    Go go social media.

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