Iris lilies, how are things in your hood?

[gimmethesimplelife]

http://www.kmov.com/news/just-posted...277346131.html

A Ferguson cop has been shot. It's only in the arm, but no idea what happened yet.

Rob, are you going to applaud this?

Look at some of these tweets.

http://twitchy.com/2014/09/28/he-des...mpaign=twitter

Hi Tradd.

Now maybe you can understand why I have such problems living in the United States. Why would you think I am grateful that this cop was shot? Honestly? Seriously? Really? If a cop is stopping actual illegal behavior, I'm all for it and I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE.

What I am against is cops illegally attacking and assaulting people for no reason whatsoever as I witnessed with my next door Guatemalan neighbors. This is what I have issues with and yes, it does happen, like it or not. Something else that is a real problem in America - if you go back and look over my posts I have said many times that there are probably some decent cops out there and that not all cops would attack and assault for no reason - please go back and look over my posts if interested and see this if interested. In other words, I have been reasonable to some extent and I realize this problem is not in evidence with every last cop. The problem however with your post - and I am not singling you out here Tradd, this problem exists with many other posts, too - is that it is one dimensional in the sense that yes, what happened is wrong here but there is no admission that not all cops are innocent all of the time. I on the other hand have admitted repeatedly that not all cops are bad. Once again, please refer to my prior posts as proof if interested.

Unfortunately, this is a two way street and there are bad cops of which terror and fear is a correct response, and their motto is not to serve and protect but to terrorize and spread fear. Once again, this is not every last cop, but unfortunately it does exist and I have seen it in action. Big reason I will never be able to trust the police in America until some laws are passed to make them vulnerable to consequences for illegal behavior - as I've said, I'm all for instant pension loss and I also believe twice the lockup time that an everyday person would be sentenced for for a given crime - or at least automatic maximum sentencing for illegal police behavior with no probation or parole. From what I've seen, only severe consequences will flatten the cops that have power tripping issues - the trash the causes the fear and terror and distrust of the cops that I and my neighbors rightly feel and perceive.

But to get back to my point - you are right in your post here as far as I am concerned. The problem is, giving cops an automatic free pass doesn't work as you have the trash that brutally attacks and assaults innocent people such as my Guatemalan neighbors.....Your post shows no balance in the sense that not all cops are innocent. Just my seventeen cents. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

The police officer prolly wasn't the intended target; he might've just been caught in the crossfire during a dispute between several of Ferguson's VERY fine upstanding citizens.

Some of the residents of Ferguson more than likely ARE fine and upstanding citizens as I consider myself to be. Some are people caught in an unpleasant life situation doing the best they can with what they have to work with, and some are the unfortunate stereotype that arises from such areas. Not all are bad any more than not all cops are bad - but there are bad cops that have no business being in uniform here and there are residents that probably should not be walking the streets free here, too. My point is that the situation is not one dimensional - there is a sprectrum of different types of cops and residents at play in Ferguson. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

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The poor person who shot that cop probably is traumatized by the whole experience. Perhaps he'll win a big civil settlement to help him recover. Rob should be gleeful at the thought.

Go go social media.

When did I EVER say or imply that it was just to shoot at a cop? When did I ever say or imply that such behavior justifies a settlement? Please refer to my numerous prior posts in which I speak of huge settlements for illegal police behavior and for attacking/assaulting innocent people just for the hell of it.....click on my page and you can easily refer to my prior posts and see my point.

I may be harsh sometimes when I stand up for basic human rights and dignity but in my own way I'm also very fair. Of course in this situation I don't believe the perp should be getting a settlement. Rob

[Packy]

If I had a choice of living next to an auto salvage yard, or in an area that was prone to civil disturbances and the risk of being accosted by thugs, I would most definitely choose to reside next to the recycler. I sure would. Don't like thugs. Although, maybe some good will come of the Ferguson incident. In the future, maybe Thugs will automatically raise their hands, and say "don't shoot", whenever they are stopped by the po-lice. We can always hope for the best.

[Tradd]

Rob, from your extreme tone, it's seemed that you wanted the po-lice to get whatever they had coming to them.

If you don't like the US, why don't you leave? Is it because you wouldn't meet the standards of whatever country has for immigrants?

When immigrants have bitterly complained about the US in my presence, I've asked them why did they come here? I follow it up with, if you loathe it so much, then why don't you return to whatever country you came from? That usually shuts them up.

You think you're being brave by shouldering the expense for a smartphone so you can capture video of any police misconduct in progress, yet you admit that you would abandon anyone in trouble and not call the cops because you're afraid of inviting "the man" into your life. In my eyes, you're no better than the bystanders who take video of incidents like this:

http://www.thv11.com/story/news/crim...pers/15262309/

Do you actually do anything productive in your community besides being on the prowl for cops behaving badly?

[gimmethesimplelife]

Rob, from your extreme tone, it's seemed that you wanted the po-lice to get whatever they had coming to them.

If you don't like the US, why don't you leave? Is it because you wouldn't meet the standards of whatever country has for immigrants?

When immigrants have bitterly complained about the US in my presence, I've asked them why did they come here? I follow it up with, if you loathe it so much, then why don't you return to whatever country you came from? That usually shuts them up.

You think you're being brave by shouldering the expense for a smartphone so you can capture video of any police misconduct in progress, yet you admit that you would abandon anyone in trouble and not call the cops because you're afraid of inviting "the man" into your life. In my eyes, you're no better than the bystanders who take video of incidents like this:

http://www.thv11.com/story/news/crim...pers/15262309/

Do you actually do anything productive in your community besides being on the prowl for cops behaving badly?

What really stands out in your post for me here? The fact that although you are quite articulate and get your point across well - even though I don't agree with it I'd say your point does come across well - I admit how I feel about the police does not apply to each and every last cop. OTOH, it seems as if you are unwilling to conceive that an officer of the law could even consider committing an illegal act of police brutality - as if such a thing could never happen. Your post lacks balance to me - as I have readily admitted many times that not all cops are bad but I don't trust them as there is a huge risk involved in dealing with them. I don't see such balance in your post here (or truth be told in many other poster's posts here). For the last time, yes, illegal unprovoked acts of police brutality do take place, they tend to take place in lower income areas, I have witnessed such (and have the privilege of living next door to heroes who retaliated via a successful lawsuit) and not all cops are bad. I don't know how much more clear I can be to those who can't even conceive or admit that not all cops are fine and outstanding and above reproach.

For what it's worth, after having experienced what I have, I find your tone quite extreme - once again in the sense that it seems that you can't conceive or admit that there are those officers who engage in illegal attacks/assaults for no reason. Seriously, to someone who has experienced - or at least witnessed as in my case, such - this denial seems quite extreme. And naïve, too. But I have read your posts here for some years, Tradd, and I do believe you mean well and are not being personal - I believe you have had no occasion to learn otherwise or experience otherwise as I have. Good for you and I mean that with no sarcasm. America does not work that way for everyone though, and if you walk away with anything from this post, please let it be this - America does not work this way for everyone. I close with that and wish you a good evening. Rob

[iris lilies]

...those who can't even conceive or admit that not all cops are fine and outstanding and above reproach...

I sincerely doubt that anyone who has posted on this thread thinks that "all cops are ...above reproach" without qualification. You would have to show me who said that for me to believe it. You are making an interpretation of information that's not there.

[bae]

You are making an interpretation of information that's not there.

Rob believes he is entitled to his own opinion, and his own facts.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Rob believes he is entitled to his own opinion, and his own facts.

I find this comment very illuminating but not in the way I'm guessing you'd like it to be, Bae. I live in a large inner city neighborhood in Phoenix where you are going to be very hard pressed to find anyone who sees the police unlike I do - that's just the reality of the situation. But yes, based on the facts of how the police have treated the residents of this neighborhood over the years - we are behaving logically and sanely based on the facts presented to us to date. And yes, America really is that bad for some of it's citizens/legal residents. And I think it's a good thing that you are not similar with such an area in Washington State, Bae - the presence of a reality so very different from what you believe - how would that sit with you? I don't know you so I can't say. I can say that presence of a reality so night and day from mine doesn't make me uncomfortable but it does sadden me as it only serves to reinforce something I learned about America when I was 13 - we are not all created equal. Nor are our lives or the level of human rights we experience equal across the board in any way. I'm glad I learned that one young, I really am - Imagine going to a high school where there were snotty rich kids - something ironic about my story is that I was districted in to such a high school back in the day - who had no idea of what I just posted. Really eye opening to me that there were 16 year olds who were so unacquainted with basic reality. I felt sorry for them in a way, I really did, as when (and if) they learned differently, it probably was really hard for them. Rob

[dmc]

So you live in a area that has one of the highest crime rates in the country. And the police are the bad guys. And you have been a victim since 13, but feel sorry for "snotty rich kids" who didn't feel the same as you did.

Im sure the police in Phoenix hate going into your neighborhood also, they are risking their lives dealing with the high numbers of criminals that live there. I'm not saying everyone is, but the crime rate supports it, and many like you wouldn't report. So the rates may even be higher.

i guess you would consider me one of those "snotty rich kids". I learned at a early age to stay out of the bad parts of town, I still do. Why would I want to increase my chances of being robbed, or assaulted, and I don't use drugs. So there is nothing there for me. The thugs and you can continue to live there. I'll stay in the low crime areas, where we are happy that the police keep the peace. And are friends of ours.