Except in this case there is a devil we know and are quite fed up with.Originally Posted by razz
Except in this case there is a devil we know and are quite fed up with.
[QUOTE=Williamsmith;240395]As imperfect as Trump is........I prefer not to accept the politics that got us in this jam in the first place. With Clinton, there is absolutely no hope to halt the national debt from climbing.
What no one is mentioning... as you say the national debt is increasing.... if Trump is elected he plans on BUILDING UP the military. What you suppose that will do to our national debt? Also, saw recently that 20 nations met and asked about Trump. Only one gave him a positive review. Can you guess who? Scary!!!!
How can you condone this?
No one who's been paying attention will be surprised at all by anything Hillary does if she gets elected. We really can't know a potential president's likely future actions any better than we do with Hillary.
Trump, who knows. If elected he may well turn out to be the blow up the establishment, pragmatic decisions leader we need. (at least until the military industrial complex decides that he's too much a threat of bringing world peace and finds a nice grassy knoll to prevent that). Or he may just be Hitler with a bad comb-over. But we just don't know.
Plus 1. Rob
In addition to those things (and yes some of the rhetoric is scary - so I don't hope for a Hitler with a bad comb over), I think he could also turn out to be VERY establishment Republican, never mind the infighting - it might be about more petty things than you can imagine. Yea I know he doesn't run as an establishment Republican, but I see him as possibly co-opted very easily, as for one thing he's a babe in the woods as far as politics, he's in way over his head and will get a lot of advisors as it were (and no the other candidates were not that inexperienced in politics). And he'll get a lot of money as well which tends to persuade (he's not self-funding his general election), but that's the case with most anyone.Trump, who knows. If elected he may well turn out to be the blow up the establishment, pragmatic decisions leader we need. (at least until the military industrial complex decides that he's too much a threat of bringing world peace and finds a nice grassy knoll to prevent that). Or he may just be Hitler with a bad comb-over. But we just don't know.
Now if one were to try to rationally estimate the chances of this (as opposed to blinding projecting hopes on the latest savior - in this case one with a heck of a shadow side), which is of course unknown but to try to hazard a guess, yea look in what direction the rhetoric tends and how it changes over time, but ALSO look at who funds him (same for any candidate) - this is very important, and look at who he is picking for his vice president and cabinet positions and advisors etc..
Trees don't grow on money
From an opinion piece at CNN entitled "Don't let Never Trump become Ready for Hillary". By Brett J. Talley.
About Trump supporters:
They are tired of politicians who always want their vote but forget them as soon as the polls close. They are angry at a government that is steamrolled by China, can do nothing to secure the border and seems helpless against the threat of radical Islam. They don't want a politician or a policy wonk. They want a leader who listens to them. And because of Trump, for the first time in a long time, they are fully engaged in the political process.
I don't disagree with your take on Hillary truth be told - but I do see her as the lesser of the evils for those of the lower class in the United States. And also for what's left of the middle class, too - as more of the middle class are coerced into off shoring their health and dental through simple economics, civil relations are crucial with Mexico. Hillary, though likely not understanding a word I just posted, will not antagonize Mexico for petty political gain as Trump will without thinking twice.
For affordable and close off shoring of health care for the lower and now increasingly middle class - Hillary for the win. Trump represents putting the safety valve of Mexico at risk.....I can't stress this enough. The kicker is I agree with your take on Hillary.....yet a vote for her is a vote to keep access to affordable health care open in Mexico for US citizens. In simple English, due to this she offers more human rights than Trump does. Rob
You've made this point several times and yet I can't figure out how Trump will prevent doctors and dentists in Mexico from taking your money. Can you elaborate?
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Considering The diplomatic failures of the last eight years, how could Trump do any worse. North Korea plays with Nukes, Iran develops them, Russia routinely does practice attacks on our military, Crimea got annexed, Ukraine is a mess, Syria is a den of terrorists, Lybia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Turkey......all training grounds for radical Islam, Isreal is no closer to peace, geez I could go on. Do you really think the Trump movement is a groundswell of "backwards racists and uneducated bums? There really are articulable reasons to be fearful of the great diplomat Clinton.
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