Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

[Williamsmith]

I liked Victor Davis Hanson's take on the Trump/Clinton Dilemma: Do you prefer your obtuseness cooked or raw?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ver-trump-2016

He considers Clinton "far, far worse", because she is far more effective in her prevarication and part of a Party establishment that uses the same tactics rather than a one-off demagogue like Trump. I'm not sure I completely agree, but he makes a good argument.

Victor Davis Hanson has my admiration for being able to present a clear coherent persuasive piece on why the proper coarse of action is to vote for Trump when the time comes. If you read it with an open mind..and ...provided Trump does nothing to torpedo his own candidacy.

But I have to disagree with one point. He definitely uses more than just three adjectives (tremendous, great and huge)... don't forget...."bigly".

However, I must admit a certain glee at the notion that such an abominable nitwit like Trump could twart the combined will of the great Republican Establishment, with the assistance of 10 million plus primary voters. Yes, they created in part the monster but now that he has been shown around a little, declared wanting by his creators......we plebes have kinda grown to like him. Given the types of candidates we are used to.......I much prefer a misfit over a seasoned liar. There is nothing redeeming about her. Trump is now our firewall.

[razz]

Some potential leaders offer the "sunny way" of Justine Trudeau recently elected in Canada or the 'melodrama' of an completely independent Trump vs establishment. They promise to change the reality of today's world. It cannot be done and the sooner we accept the reality that our societies have changed irretrievably, need to adapt and look for options for the future, the sooner the populations will have confidence in the future. Blindly spending our children's future to prop up the old system or shutting out the world while wishing for the old ways to return are not an option.

What would a credible futurist envision?

[Ultralight]

Victor Davis Hanson has my admiration for being able to present a clear coherent persuasive piece on why the proper coarse of action is to vote for Trump when the time comes. If you read it with an open mind..and ...provided Trump does nothing to torpedo his own candidacy.

But I have to disagree with one point. He definitely uses more than just three adjectives (tremendous, great and huge)... don't forget...."bigly".

However, I must admit a certain glee at the notion that such an abominable nitwit like Trump could twart the combined will of the great Republican Establishment, with the assistance of 10 million plus primary voters. Yes, they created in part the monster but now that he has been shown around a little, declared wanting by his creators......we plebes have kinda grown to like him. Given the types of candidates we are used to.......I much prefer a misfit over a seasoned liar. There is nothing redeeming about her. Trump is now our firewall.

You don't talk/write like any cop I ever knew.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Some potential leaders offer the "sunny way" of Justine Trudeau recently elected in Canada or the 'melodrama' of an completely independent Trump vs establishment. They promise to change the reality of today's world. It cannot be done and the sooner we accept the reality that our societies have changed irretrievably, need to adapt and look for options for the future, the sooner the populations will have confidence in the future. Blindly spending our children's future to prop up the old system or shutting out the world while wishing for the old ways to return are not an option.

What would a credible futurists envision?

I agree. Western society has permanently changed and adapting to it is the only realistic option. It could be said that my leaving it? A form of adaptation. Others will adapt in different ways but the silver lining - interesting twists and turns in the plot of our lives. Maybe not what we foresaw but an extended life span somewhere warm and without health care being a loaded gun constantly cocked to my head? Works for me.......others are of course free to adapt as they see fit. But are you ever dead on about trying to prop up the old ways in this very changed world. Rob

[iris lilies]

I agree. Western society has permanently changed and adapting to it is the only realistic option. It could be said that my leaving it? A form of adaptation. Others will adapt in different ways but the silver lining - interesting twists and turns in the plot of our lives. Maybe not what we foresaw but an extended life span somewhere warm and without health care being a loaded gun constantly cocked to my head? Works for me.......others are of course free to adapt as they see fit. But are you ever dead on about trying to prop up the old ways in this very changed world. Rob

Re bolded.

wait. What? Are you leaving?

Western Society? Or just the U.S?

[LDAHL]

Victor Davis Hanson has my admiration for being able to present a clear coherent persuasive piece on why the proper coarse of action is to vote for Trump when the time comes. If you read it with an open mind..and ...provided Trump does nothing to torpedo his own candidacy.

But I have to disagree with one point. He definitely uses more than just three adjectives (tremendous, great and huge)... don't forget...."bigly".

However, I must admit a certain glee at the notion that such an abominable nitwit like Trump could twart the combined will of the great Republican Establishment, with the assistance of 10 million plus primary voters. Yes, they created in part the monster but now that he has been shown around a little, declared wanting by his creators......we plebes have kinda grown to like him. Given the types of candidates we are used to.......I much prefer a misfit over a seasoned liar. There is nothing redeeming about her. Trump is now our firewall.

Bobby Jindal referred to Trump (whom he personally despises) as "the second worst choice". I think it's possible for reasonable people to disagree on that. If the GOP is going to fragment, my thinking is that a quick, painful break rather than a drawn-out agony. If there truly is a yahoo element, best to lose them now and start the rebuilding program immediately. Minimizing the association with Trump as soon and as decisively as possible might be worth four years of Clinton, especially if Congress acts responsibly.

[Williamsmith]

You don't talk/write like any cop I ever knew.

You mean guys like Officer JD Buck Savage

This is a real training video from my academy class 1985

[gimmethesimplelife]

Re bolded.

wait. What? Are you leaving?

Western Society? Or just the U.S?

My husband and I are looking into other countries, right now the Phillipines is looking like a good choice. How do I say this? Life is short, why stay and struggle needlessly when there are other options? But yes, non-Western countries. Rob

[Williamsmith]

Bobby Jindal referred to Trump (whom he personally despises) as "the second worst choice". I think it's possible for reasonable people to disagree on that. If the GOP is going to fragment, my thinking is that a quick, painful break rather than a drawn-out agony. If there truly is a yahoo element, best to lose them now and start the rebuilding program immediately. Minimizing the association with Trump as soon and as decisively as possible might be worth four years of Clinton, especially if Congress acts responsibly.

Precisely where we part ways.......four years of Clinton is unsurvivable because of the foundation that will be prepared for a new euro American reality. We were clearly just one young or even middle aged inspiring man or woman or liquid flowing back and forth progressive, socialist /communist away from a true transformation. Sanders was a shot across the bow of a sinking ship.

[Ultralight]

My husband and I are looking into other countries, right now the Phillipines is looking like a good choice. How do I say this? Life is short, why stay and struggle needlessly when there are other options? But yes, non-Western countries. Rob

Dude, I am a little worried you all might be in for a rude awakening. I say this as a fellow liberal! Moving to the Philippines ain't like moving to Norway. It is a third-world country where crazy stuff happens daily -- they have sweatshops like it is normal, quack "doctors," homophobia is rampant, etc.